HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
most recent 7 MAY HIDE POSTS
Initial post 6 MAY by jedmar
These documents will be a great help to identify the real 'Bloomfield Abundance'
Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 MAY by Patricia Routley
Yes, indeed. We have had them all in the files for some time now, reprinted from the American Rose Annuals 1920 p38, and 1926 p100, as well as from The Practical Book of Outdoor Rose Growing written by Capt. Thomas. But it is these photos from Capt. Thomas own album which add authenticity. Thank you for uploading them Merbear.

I would like to ask all those members who have added photos of 'Spray Cecile Brunner' in the past, to MOVE their photos out of this file and into 'Spray Cecile Brunner'. These members are
Horst Peters
Museo Giardino della Rosa Antica
Rosita Prieto
Josef Distl
Rahel Buehler
David Elliott
Beverly Sloan
Rosenschule Ruf
The Old Rosarian

Many thanks.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 7 MAY by Merbear
I should have done this sooner! Cap’t Thomas was my great grandfather. A lot of his images, albums etc. were packed away, to be found upon the death of my grandmother in 2006. I got in touch with Sacramento’s Historic Rose Garden and was invited to attend the 2012 Historic Rose Conference, were I was given a young Bloomfield Abundance by Fred Boutin, who also spoke on his findings.
most recent 27 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 3 APR 17 by CybeRose
It seems odd that this old rose could have been the pollen parent of 'Amberlight' [(Seedling x Lavender Pinocchio) x Marcel Bourgouin]. Just another of the mysteries of rose breeding.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 APR 17 by jedmar
In "Classic Roses" of Beales notes that he worked for the late Edward LeGrice when he crossed this (Marcel Bourgoin) and 'Tuscany Superb', among others, with modern roses to breed his famous range of unusually coloured modern varieties... I think 'Amberlight' was an intermediate step for breeding purposes. 'Amberlight''s offspring 'Tom Brown' was then widely used for further breeding. What is interesting is that while 'Marcel Bourgoin' is once-blooming, its descendants were repeat bloomers.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 27 APR by CybeRose
Perhaps the rebloom came from the pollen parent, 'Abel Carriere'.
most recent 20 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 3 JUN 08 by kernalchick
Can anyone tell me about the disease resistance of this rose? It will have to endure partial shade and I've been told by some nurserys that it would be fine. The second question is would this work for a pillar? Thanks for your help.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 JUN 08 by Lyn G
You can look up "hybrid musks" in our GLOSSARY and find out more about this class of roses.

Reply #2 of 5 posted 12 SEP 08 by Carlene
I have mine growing in mostly shade in a pot - absolutely no disease. Drought tolerant in a pot. Blooms more of course when it gets sufficient water. Tough little rose.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 SEP 08 by jedmar
Ours has lost almost all foliage to blackspot!
Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 SEP 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It will mildew a bit when conditions are at their worst.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 20 APR by Gdisaz10
Blackspot in the summer in my hot , humid climate.
most recent 11 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 APR by Patricia Routley
I note that HelpMeFind is showing this breeder's codes as with, and without the space. i.e.
AM 965
AM 979

I believe they should be consistent, but a private message to the breeder has brought no reply. Does anybody know what they should be?
Space or no space?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 11 APR by jedmar
Hi Patricia,

I know, the references are inconsistent. It seems to depend on who is publishing (World Rose Organisation or others). You might ask Matthias Meilland - he usually answers.

Best regards
Reply #2 of 4 posted 11 APR by Patricia Routley
I did - April 3. He must be really busy.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 11 APR by jedmar
It probably doesn't matter. Most of them are without space. I would rtake out the space from the rest.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 APR by Patricia Routley
And now I note that Michèle Meilland Richardier lists all hers with the space.
Oh well, at least they are all consistently shown: Alain with, and Michele without.
Thanks Behcet.
© 2018