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Initial post 7 JUN by Nigel McCollum
Rose Listing Omission


bright sun yellow - florist rose now available commercially
Reply #1 of 6 posted 2 days ago by peterdewolf
Had to dig to find a reference to Kerio. A google search indicates it's a widely grown 'brand' . Any idea why it wouldn't feature on helpmefind?
Reply #2 of 6 posted yesterday by jedmar
We add florists' roses not regularly, only on an exceptional basis. There must be hundreds, if not thousands of brands existing, which are not available to the general public except via florists. Information about these is more difficult to come bye if one is not in the trade and follows trade publications.
'Kerio' (LEXoirek) seems to be a cultivar of Lex Voorn, which we have now added. It does not seem to be available at any retail nurseries. You are welcome to add your photos.
Reply #3 of 6 posted yesterday by peterdewolf
Thank you for that reply. I'd seen it growing in one of my favourite Russian gardens, ( on YouTube ).
What struck me was the depth of colour and the perfect compact form. My wife will always choose yellow for the garden buts surprisingly difficult to find a rose with such a perfect form and colour. And of course it would have to be fragrant . Still don't know if it is fragrant I haven't found a single review that mentions the fragrance. But it's all moot now I suppose, I'm in Ireland and we're behind the Iron Curtain of the Brexit fiasco, no more roses without smuggling them ????, and I'm not kidding.
Thanks again
Reply #5 of 6 posted today by jedmar
In the link on the page of 'Kerio' you will find mention of light fragrance of honey and lemon balm.
Reply #6 of 6 posted today by peterdewolf
Yes I just found that thanks.
Reply #4 of 6 posted yesterday by Johno
It is interesting that a lot of florist roses eventually find their way on the retail market and they seem to do well, especially in the warmer climates. As an example many of the Kordes Freelander Florist Roses are available to the general public.
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Initial post 6 NOV 12 by Roseraie "Roses de Normandie"
I would like to know what is this reference dated 1759 concerning 'Blush Damask'?
I am unable to find any horticultural book written in English published in 1759 and
I don't know any rose named 'Blush Damask' during the 18th century in the horticultural literature I know.
Was this rose mentioned in a catalogue?
Thank you for your help.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 6 NOV 12 by jedmar
Our reference for 1759 is the statement in "Modern Roses". Unfortunately, they do not state where their information comes from. Our earliest reference is dated 1770, with later repeats in 1775, 1797 and 1799. However, we will investigate and come back again.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 8 NOV 12 by Cà Berta
I do not know if this may help.
A couple of references to Rosa Incarnata Damascena can be found in Teatro farmaceutico dogmatico e spagirico del Dottor Giuseppe Donzelli.
In the 1704 edition, page 162 “ Si chiama incarnata, per la similitudine, c’ha il suo colore con le carni delle vaghe, e delicate Donzelle. Nelle Spetiarie ha nome volgarmente di Rosa solutiva, & anche di Damascena: Nicolò Monardes asserisce darseli quest’ultimo nome, Quoniam ex Damasco nobilissima Syria de Urbe credum devenisse (Tratt. De rosa), e che si chiami Persica, vuole inferire l’istesso Monardes, che da Persia sia derivata, che perciò dice Unde prius originem duxerunt,..”
Translation “it is called incarnata for the colour resempling the blush of girls. In the herbalists it has the name of Damascena: Nicolò Monardes says that it has this name because it comes from Syria. And the same Monardes says that it is also named Persica as originally it came from Persia.

In the 1726 Edition, page 126 “Gasparo Shuvenckfelt dice, che la Rosa Prenestina sia la Damascena, ma di una spezie minore chiamata Rosa solutiva minore, ed anche Incarnata, o Precox cioè Primaticcia …” Translation “Gasparo Shuvenckfelt says that the Rosa Prenestina is the Damascena, but a variety called Rosa solutiva minore or Incarnata ..”
Reply #3 of 6 posted 8 NOV 12 by Roseraie "Roses de Normandie"
Many thanks for your interesting contribution!
In my mind, traditionally from the 16th to the 18th centuries, Rosa incarnata is Rosa damascena (i.e. our Rosa X damescena), for all the botanists of the continental Europe. This is the rose first mentioned by the Spanish botanist Monardes. 'Blush Damask' is mentioned much later and is different from Rosa x damascena.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 4 days ago by CybeRose
Monardes (1540) explained that the roses known (then) as Rosa Persica and Rosa Alexandrina in Spain, were also sometimes called Damascenes. As often happens, a plant picks up the name of its previous location. E.g., We Americans speak of English Walnuts, though they are Persian. And the peach, Prunus Persica, is native to China.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 4 days ago by Margaret Furness
Not to mention marketing names - Kiwi Fruit (ex China), Kiwi Rose (Doryanthes excelsa, ex Australia) or the Hawaiian nut (Macadamia, ex Australia).
Reply #6 of 6 posted yesterday by CybeRose
I still haven't figured out how the Turkey Bird and Turkish Corn (Maize), both American, got their names.
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Initial post 3 days ago by jedmar
This is not a Gallica, but a Hybrid Tea. Please compare foliage and bloom with the other photos for 'James Mason'
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Initial post 8 days ago by Alejandro Romero
From what year do shrub and climbing roses planted with bare roots begin to produce large numbers of roses?
My climate is dry subtropical and in my case since I planted them two years ago they have produced few or no roses.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 8 days ago by jedmar
It depends on climate, soil and understock used. Some start immediately, most need 2-3 years, others more than 5. In your climate you might also do better with Tea, Noisette and China roses rather than Hybrid Teas or Old garden Roses, which need a period of cold in winter.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 7 days ago by Alejandro Romero
Dear Jedmar

Here in winter it usually reaches around 11 or 12 degrees Celsius on some days. Would that be enough for a cold winter period? Here the climate becomes more humid and colder between mid-November until the end of March, although it usually varies according to the year.

I guess I'll have to wait another year then. I hope to be lucky with Variegata di Bologna as it belongs to the Old Roses, although some nursery websites recommend Bourbon roses for hot climates.

Kind Regards

Reply #3 of 4 posted 6 days ago by jedmar
I believe some roses need temperatures lower than that. I have heard that in Florida temperature drops to minimum 5 degrees in winter and that is not enough for old garden roses to florish. Maybe you could check what other members are growing in Florida. Look at Gardens/List by Location/USA/Regions/Florida.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 5 days ago by Palustris
You might try 'Old Blush' if you can get one. I have a house in Belize which is slightly more southern that the Canary Islands, but also in the temperate zone. 'Old Blush' is quite common here, a former English colony usually labeled "English Rose". It does bloom on and off all year and grows in sand reasonably well.
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