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Patricia Routley 
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Guildford Nurseries, Ethel Street, Guildford, was owned by Charles Rhodes. (see 1939 advertisement photo uploaded today in “Red Ethel”. )
It is feasible that they may have stocked Alister Clark’s ‘Lady Rhodes’ <1933 rose. Does anybody have access to any of Guildford Nurseries catalogues?
‘Lady Rhodes’ was said to be of moderate height, short stems, and a lasting bloom.
However, the colour was said to be “between red and pink” and “scarlet, passing to crimson carmine” with 60 petals.
How many petals does “Red Ethel" have?
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#1 of 6 posted
yesterday by
HubertG
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A quick look at Trove says that he was also Mayor of Guildford and was involved in judging rose exhibitions. One article mentions that 'Billy Boiler' grew at the nursery so it's very likely that he sold other Clark roses. I'm wondering if he might have been family to Mrs. Clark.
From the Perth 'Mirror' 7 June 1930 page 5:
"Roses there are by the hundred from the old time Gloir de Dijon and Marechal Ney [sic] to the new and perhaps more fashionable varieties. There is a grand new scarlet rose, Billy Boiler, which flowers all the year round. But space forbids telling of all the horticultural wonders."
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Thanks HubertG.
Alister Clark was born in 1864, so any contemporary may have been Charles Rhodes Sr.
Charles Cecil Rhodes born c1898. was the nursery owner.
His mother's name was Frances Rhodes and it was his father, also Charles Rhodes who was the Mayor. The family's address was 7 Olive Street, Guildford.
From the website Guildfordanzacs:
Rhodes became a noted horticulturalist in WA . He later developed extensive commercial rose gardens in Ethel Street and and another nursery in Market Street, Guildford. Rhodes wrote articles for the West Australian and was noted rosarian. C.C. Rhodes' father was a noted civic figure and was a Mayor of Guildford.
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You can visit the property 'Otahuna' owned by Alister Clark's brother-in-law in the south island of NZ (where I stranded a hire car on a rock - Patricia would remember the Heritage Rose roadtrip in the region).
(Edited to remove an error.)
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With great clarity Margaret. I recall swearing OUT ALOUD when you hit the rock and I was sitting in the back with Milton Nurse.
I think I have found a births/deaths/ marriages connection to Arthur Rhodes who was Alister Clark's brother-in-law. (brother to Edith Clark (nee Rhodes) and the lawyer for the Clark family.
However, it is my first time at this stuff and I am getting bamboozled a bit. Take the following with some salt for the moment.
Arthur RHODES married
Annie Elizabeth JOY
Their child was
Annie Elizabeth RHODES (c1868-1936) aged 68 who died in Middle Swan, W.A.
Charles Rhodes [Sr,] (c1898-1948) married
Frances ….. (....-1953).
Their child was:
Charles Cecil Rhodes [Jr.] (c1898-1987) aged 89. Died at Boya, W.A.
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Looking at 'The Women behind the Roses', by the Govanstones (Rosenberg 2010).
Arthur Heaton Rhodes and Sophia Circuit Rhodes of 'Elmwood', Christchurch, NZ had 6 children.
Edith Rhodes married Alister Clark in 1888.
Heaton Rhodes married Alister's sister Jessie Clark.
The contemporary baritone Teddy Tahu Rhodes may come from a different line, as his ancestors added the name Tahu (a Maori word meaning 'to set on fire') to theirs soon after arrival in NZ (early 1840s). But someone more competent in tracing families is welcome to correct me.
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#6 of 6 posted
today by
HubertG
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Regarding any possible connection between Mrs Clark and Charles Rhodes - both trees seem to have been fairly well researched and are online and although both their Rhodes lines ultimately go back to Yorkshire, I can't see any connection between the two families going back to the early 18th century at least.
Charles Rhodes (1874 -1948) was a Fellow of the Royal Horticultural Society according to the newspapers, so considering that and his surname it's still possible that Alister Clark knew of him, and it would be nice to think that he sent roses over to him. Upon being appointed Mayor of Guildford in 1921 Charles Rhodes tendered his resignation as inspector for the Agricultural Department of the Swan district. Both he and his son Charles Cecil Rhodes are listed as "Nurseryman"at the same address in the 1931 Swan Electoral roll.
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3 days ago by
Mger
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I help maintain a Master Gardener Rose Garden. Some of our roses were donated twenty years ago, but without identification. I have one rose that maintains predominantly red canes but I have been unable to identify it. The plant habit is upright to 6 feet. Blooms are off red, with a shading of pink, about 5". Bloom form opens as high centered, but becomes irregular. I am looking for suggestions of possible identification.
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Perhaps if you add some photos to your comment?
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I too have a tall, upright, red-caned rose that I have been trying to identify. Its study name is "Birte Venske's No. 13" . There are quite a few possible identifications mentioned there. You might like to work through them to see if anything jells with your rose.
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3 days ago by
Jack1
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Registered with ARS in March of 2024
Paddy Stephens X Dick Clark
light to moderately fragrant,
30 to 35 pedals, foliage dark green and glossy.
I registered it as "Smell this one!"
I was very surprised that it is fragrant since most of my seedlings are not.
thank you for catching my month mistake.
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May?
Registered name?
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That’s okay.
You do know you can add your own roses, don’t you? Contact Admin to help with this. See SITE FEATURES / CONTACT US.
Otherwise, we can help from here.
I see a discrepancy in the seed parent’s name. You say, above, it was ‘Paddy Stephens’. Modern Roses are saying ‘Pinkerbelle’. ?
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#3 of 3 posted
2 days ago by
Jack1
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Thank you Patricia, I just emailed ARS with the correct parentage. That will teach me to rely on my memory. I checked my tag along side the original plant and it states Paddy Stephens X Dick Clark.
btw: I am currently using Pinkerbelle as the seed parent for my hybridizing but those babies are too young.
Thanks again,
Jack
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Who was the breeder - Hansen or Whitman Cross? See references.
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3 days ago by
jedmar
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Neils Hansen was the gardener of Whitman Cross in Chevy Chase. It seems that this rose was registered from the beginning as a cultivar of Hansen.
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