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Initial post 18 JUL 16 by Jeri Jennings
The color shift pretty much duplicates that of 'Archduke Charles' -- but "Orange Smith" has a lower petal count. Seedling? Sport?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Jeri, has there ever been any determination of what "Orange Smith may be? Did it turn out to be 'Archduke Charles'? I know at one time Caméléon (china, Flon, 1824) and Belle Isidore 1830 were being discussed.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted yesterday by Jeri Jennings
No. There has been no discussion of which I am aware.

There are many Chinas that do this color shift, but these blooms are larger than most -- my guess is that it is a minor sport of 'Archduke Charles,' with a lower petal count. But I have no proof of that.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Thanks Jeri.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted yesterday by Jeri Jennings
Wish I had more to report. But I CAN say that, in my climate and conditions. this is a better rose.
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Initial post 2 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
A bright pink sport on 'Paul Crampel'.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Looks good. I note some dates
1930 ‘Paul Crampel’
1967 ‘Camping’ pink blend sport of ‘Paul Crampel’
2019 ‘Glamping’ is my weak suggestion for an appropriate name for this bright pink modern sport.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted yesterday by Andrew from Dolton
Interesting. I always wanted to name a rose Irene Elsie after my grandmother but she was very much a floribunda/hybrid-tea rose grower and would not have understood the appeal of a rose like this. The sport is larger growing with bigger flower clusters than 'Paul Crampel' and I thinking 'Glamping' would suit it well.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Am glad you like it Andrew. It was just a bit of silly fun to lighten the day.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted yesterday by Jay-Jay
Glamping sounds to me better than the in Canada heard term: "Trailer Trash".
A nice finding Andrew!
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Initial post yesterday by Patricia Routley
The photo below from the 2002 Historic Rose Journal, No. 24 front cover, carried the caption on p1.
"One of three very 0ld China roses growing in the garden at Hex, this is thought to be R. indica rubra. Photo Milton Nurse."
Does anybody know what the rose turned out to be?
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Initial post 2 days ago by HubertG
The 1909 reference indicates that this rose is a Polyantha, and not a Portland as is currently listed in the profile page. Also I'm not sure which name would be correct - 'Miss Pollock' or 'Miss Dorothea Pollock', but my guess would be the latter.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 days ago by jedmar
Corrected the class and added the synonym. Thank you!
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Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
A wee bit of info about the family?
From the Queensland Post Office Directory 1929-1930
p1281. Seed Merchants, Seedsmen & Nurserymen: Pollock, Morgan & Co., Ruthven St., Toowoomba.
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