HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
most recent 15 JUL 13 SHOW ALL
Initial post 21 AUG 06 by Janet ES

I have this rose since 1990 and I adore it. It smells heavenly - better than most Old Garden roses.

Grows wonderfully in So. California - disease resistant and always in bloom!

Reply #1 of 8 posted 24 JAN 07 by CindyH
Janet...I am in L.A. My gardener accidentally pulled this out of my garden and disposed of it. I cannot find it anywhere. Have you seen it since at any nursery in So Cal?

Reply #2 of 8 posted 24 JAN 07 by Janet ES
No I have not seen it in commerce - though it should be. I make cuttings every year and we auction them off in Aug. at the San Fernando Valley Rose Society potluck. They are very popular because I always win in fragrance at their little rose shows. I even took a blue ribbon in fragrance at the rose show at Descanso. I have one in a 2 gallon pot and more cuttings started.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 24 JAN 07 by CindyH
Do you sell? If not, then I will go to one of the shows and bid there.

I have a nice collection of old roses (about 100+) and I live in L.A. and am always looking for exciting offerings. I have never been to the SFV Rose Society so I will look into it. Thanks for the prompt response.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 24 JAN 07 by Janet ES
I would be happy to sell it as a donation to the San Fernando Valley Rose Society. I also belong to the Ventura Rose Society that cares for the Stagecoach Inn Museum Rose Garden which has old garden roses. Where do you live in LA?
Reply #5 of 8 posted 24 JAN 07 by CindyH
In L.A. near Hollywood, but I grew up in the SFV so I know the area well and I would be happy to drive to you. You let me know what you want.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 25 JAN 07 by Janet ES
We auctioned them off last summer (I had 4 of them) and they went from $15 to $20 each.
Would you be willing to spend at least $10 in a check made payable to either the San Fernando Valley Rose Society or Ventura Rose Society. I also have 2 gallon Climbing Pinkie, Weeping China Doll, among others. also. We are having a great auction of old garden roses - over 300 unusual roses at the Ventura Rose Society in Camarillo this Sat. from 1-4 pm. Go on line and look up Ventura Rose Society web site and you can see the list of fabulous roses that have come in from all around the country to auction off ( it helps to pay the rent for our monthly meetings and is tax deductible)
Janet Sklar
Reply #7 of 8 posted 10 JUL 13 by goncmg
Hi Janet ES....well, 6 years after this thread was you still grow Sweet-n-Pink? Would you be willing to maybe send a few bud eyes this fall in exchange for a donation? Or in exchange for bud eyes of anything I am growing?
Reply #8 of 8 posted 15 JUL 13 by Janet ES
I still have this rose - my mother plant is dying - 30 yrs. old, but I have 2 others that I can make cuttings from for you. I do not know about getting bud eyes for you - don't know how but I make cuttings for them each year and sell them as a donation to a rose society. I live in the San Fernando Valley so let me know how to get you the cutting.
This rose went out of commerce because it does not have the traditional bud form. The fragrance is superb and would be a great seller today after D. Austin roses.
most recent 4 JUL 07 SHOW ALL
Initial post 5 JUN 07 by NewsView
I have searched far and wide for the identity of the rose, pictured. I went so far as to contact ARS rosarians via the ARS Website, and I have come up with different answers in response to this photo. I purchased the roses that were suggested about seven months ago, and none of them display blooms like this. It was photographed in 2000 at dusk, and it appeared to be a young plant only about 2-3ft tall at the time. I did not attempt to check for a scent. So far, I have purchased Peace, Glowing Peace, Gold Medal, Broadway, Garden Party and Bella Roma, but have not come up with what I would consider a match (Peace is probably the closest guess, but the petal counts are much, much higher and Peace buds much fuller). I am wondering if it may have been a Peace relative, Grand'mére Jenny, but I cannot find that particular rose on the retail market. Another suggestion that was made to me is a rose called Desert Peace, but so far I have yet to find that on the market either.

I was not near home when I photographed the rose. It was growing at a gated assisted living facility and the family member who was there is deceased. This search started out in effort to locate this particular rose to plant in memory of my late family member.

I would greatly appreciate any leads.

Thank you.
Reply #1 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by oldNugly
Could this be Glowing Peace in a rose tree variety?
Reply #2 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by NewsView
Thank you for replying to my rose ID question. I do happen to own Glowing Peace. So far I don't see as much resemblance, but no two blooms are ever exactly alike so I'll have to wait for more blooms to know for certain.

I ran across Solitaire and Golden Jubilee via the Internet, and I sometimes wonder if that might be a match. There are too few images of those particular roses on HMF to be certain, however. And unfortunately I don't know of anyone who sells or owns Solitaire or Golden Jubilee locally.

Meanwhile, I am open to any suggestions.
Reply #3 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
Hi can you get us a better photo of the bud? My Random House Book of Roses has photos of the buds as well as the rose in bloom. I could look for you. At first glance it looks like a type of Peace.
Please let us know if you figure it out. Good Luck Jody
Reply #5 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by NewsView
Hi Jody,

You can click on the picture to enlarge it. Other than that, I do not have a better picture of the bud or the rose. I have, however, added to this reply an overexposed version of the photo to lighten up and hopefully improve the detail on the leaves and the bud. Even so, I would say the first photo is the most accurate in terms of what I recall of the bloom color. It was taken at dusk so it really was that dark as shown in the first version of the image.

I own The American Rose Society Encyclopedia of Roses, and the closest possibility I see is "Grand'mere Jenny", which is described as a "more refined" Peace relative. If ARS perceived it as an improvement on Peace, I can't figure out why Grand'mere Jenny is no longer on the market. Even HMF has put out a call for help locating this rose, as it is no longer seemingly in commercial production.

Thank you for your reply!
Reply #4 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by HMF Admin
As you are no doubt finding out, identifying a rose with absolute certainty (this way) is nearly impossible. The best we can do is make educated guesses and to that end, more photos would be helpful. Ideally you should provide several photos, including the whole bush, close-ups of the stems, buds and leaves (very important) as well as the usual of the bloom. Photos of different blooms at various stages would be helpful too.
Reply #6 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by NewsView
RE: HMF Admin

Perhaps it bears repeating that the mystery rose photo was an impromptu snapshot taken outside a private gated retirement community seven years ago, and as such the image was not captured in proximity to my home. Going back to check if this rose still grows where I found it would involve roughly a 200 mile round trip and trying to gain entry to a private gated community wherein I have no current relatives. I was on my way home after a long day of visiting with relatives in late November 2000, and I took the picture you see in my initial post because I had just purchased my first 1.3 megapixel digital camera. The rose caught my attention due to its nightlight like glow, which was unlike any rose I had ever seen despite the fact that rosebushes are a common sight on nearly every property in Southern California. I decided last year to plant this variety, which I believe to be an HT, in memory of my departed relative, but I cannot do so without identifying it first.

Please forgive me if I sound somewhat frustrated, but from best I can tell when comparing my single photo to rose books on my bookshelf, the photo I have provided is no better or worse than using a professional guide to help identify a rose, say, that one finds growing on a roadside or on a residential property one might visit or purchase. Published rose reference guides, to my knowledge, do not provide second or third sample images either. Nevertheless, I have often been told by well meaning educators that rose identification is nearly impossible without multiple photos/views! (If that is generally true, most published rose reference guides are all but useless for identification purposes as well.)

The photo I have provided is not a blurry or distant photo, but taken close up and in relatively sharp focus. The photo makes it possible to count petals, and there is even a bud present for comparison. Nevertheless, I acknowledge that the photo has some weaknesses insofar as it does not show more than one flower — which if memory serves was all that was blooming at the time. In addition, the photo was taken near dusk, which is why the leaves aren't that easy to observe for the purpose of gathering additional clues from the color, shape and detail. On the other hand, my ARS encyclopedia doesn’t really depict leaves and buds all that well either.

While Internet/book IDs are tricky as I have previously come to realize, my educated guess is that yellow/pink bicolor HTs are a relatively narrow group of contenders, which I would imagine makes this rose more distinctive looking compared to the thousands of red, pink or yellow single-color varieties that may be easier to confuse. As for the growing conditions, rose growing in California is fairly easy, and roses bloom virtually year around even in neglected gardens (which is why the rose pictured was still blooming in November). For whatever it may be worth, however, the rose pictured was grown in a well maintained, upscale desert retirement community, perhaps 100 miles from Palm Springs, CA. I'm not sure how much of a clue this provides, but I mention it because it might help.

I suspect that anyone who owns this rose would recognize it. Given that no two ARS rosarians I contacted offered the same suggestion, however, I am inclined to agree with one of the rosarians who pointed out in response to my email last year that this particular rose may have been one of the many roses that was introduced briefly and later dropped, which would make it more difficult to identify. (J&P is apparently notorious for this.) This may explain why my attempts to find it via an advanced search here on HMF has also failed (although I confess I haven't looked at all 600 or so results that turn up when searching for a yellow blend bicolor HT).

If anyone can venture a guess as to what this may be, I will appreciate the opportunity to look the suggested variety up in the HMF database for additional examples (which is one benefit of asking my question here, as opposed to somewhere else on the Internet). On that note, even though I have purchased a number of Peace varieties that do not look much like the rose I posted, I am enjoying the fact that my close-but-not-quite roses are at least in the ballpark color-wise, and I would not be disappointed to continue purchasing "might be" roses as opposed to the alternative — having few replies because no one is confident enough to throw out a suggestion.

Aside from the roses I have already purchased, also as mentioned in the initial post, would anyone be willing to hazard a guess based upon the photo I have already provided?
Reply #7 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by HMF Admin
ANY additional information may be helpful. If you can provide location specifics or growing conditions it may provide further clues. Good luck.
Reply #8 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by Lyn G
You might try the "Advanced Search" feature on HelpMeFind. If you think the blooms on this rose are "mostly borne solitary" then, enter "hybrid tea" as the class. If you think it blooms in clusters, you could enter "grandiflora" or "floribunda" as the class. It looks like the ARS color would be "pink blend" NOTE: be sure to click the AND radio button when you add more characteristics to your search. Then count the petals and add the correct bloom form. You should be able to come up with a list of roses we have in the database that have those characteristics. You will get a page of links to various rose pages and will have to check them out individually, but you might get some more ideas as to what the rose is.

Best of luck to you in your search.

Reply #9 of 18 posted 5 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
Hi I think we, or at least I, misunderstood. I thought you had a cutting of the rose from the retirement ctr. anyway, I have a wild guess for you. I have a pix of a Floribunda rose called Kumbaya which looks very much like it. I can find little on this rose. The only other suggestion I have is to call the office of the retirement place (if there is one) someone who lives there might know. Without more pix, it is going to be hard to pin it down. But I wish you the best of luck. Jody
Reply #10 of 18 posted 6 JUN 07 by NewsView
Thank you very much for the tip regarding Kumbaya. I can't locate it in the database, but perhaps you can post it as an edit to your comment (if you have the image).
Reply #16 of 18 posted 9 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
Hi, I am sorry I don't have a photo of Kumbaya. I saw it in the Random House Book of Roses by Roger Phillips and Martyn Rix. I highly recommend this book as it pictures the bud of each rose along with the rose in bloom (with a few exceptions). But your rose really does look more like a Peace. Please let us know if you come to any conclusions. Jody
Reply #12 of 18 posted 6 JUN 07 by NewsView
Hi Lyn,

Would it be possible to limit the search to Peace descendants? I suspect that it may be a relative of Peace, and apparently there are many, such as a Granada/Peace variety called “Waverland”, which I am not familiar. I saw Waverland, for example, only because I was browsing Cliff's Orent's images.

Thanks again to all who have helped.
Reply #15 of 18 posted 6 JUN 07 by Lyn G
Re: Limiting search to descendents of 'Peace'...Sure. I just took a quick glance at the Advanced Search feature and there it is... I have never done a search on the site using this feature, so please let us know how you like it.
1. click "roses" on the navigation bar to the left -- this takes you to the rose search page
2. click on the "advanced search" tab
3. drop down the search page and click on "linage"... you can then enter the parent rose and go from there.

If you have questions about how to use the feature, use the help button. If you still have more questions feel free to ask. This will let us know if we need to work on the help messages.


Note: you can limit the search by selecting more than just the parentage feature for the search... ie, you can select color (pb) and linage, but be sure to click the AND radio button.
Reply #11 of 18 posted 6 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
AshDown Roses has an affilliate in Palm Springs, Ashdown West, operated by Cliff Orent. I wonder if by any chance, you contacted him he would know what this rose is. It might be worth a try.
Reply #13 of 18 posted 6 JUN 07 by NewsView
Excellent! I will try that!
Reply #14 of 18 posted 6 JUN 07 by Wendy C.
If the plant was young, it could very well have been Peace. Color on that rose varies greatly with soil and climate differences. Young plants and roses receiving minimal care often have lower petal counts.. heat effects this as well.

The closest thing I've seen would be Fragrant Keepsake, which much too young if you saw this in 2000.
Best of luck in your search
Reply #17 of 18 posted 13 JUN 07 by CindyH
It looks like a rose I have had for 5 years called "Party Time". It looks like a couple of the photos of this same rose on HMF. Hope this helps.
Reply #18 of 18 posted 4 JUL 07 by Amy's Idaho Rose Garden
Could be Dreamward or Heart O' Gold
most recent 4 JUL 07 SHOW ALL
Initial post 13 JUN 07 by CindyH
I have a rose called "Wedding Song" that I purchased three years ago. I cannot find any information on it. It looks like a very large and full "Peace" and the scent is strong and fruity. I called the grower and all he could remember was that it was a cross with Ivory Fashion but could not remember anyting else. I have tried to propigate it to no avail. Does anyone out there know anything about it?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 JUL 07 by Amy's Idaho Rose Garden
Where did you purchase it from?
Was it a large box chain or a smaller local nursery?
most recent 13 JUN 07 SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
I live in the Houston area, zone 9a, does anyone know how big Maggie will eventually become? I have another rose called Mrs. B.R. Cant that is about 9 ft. tall and 8 ft. wide and I wonder if Maggie will become a monster like that one. Does anyone know how big Maggie grows in a warm climate like mine? Thanks.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 JUN 07 by CindyH
Funny...I have Mrs. B.R. Cant also and mine is huge! My Maggie is still small after three years only about 3 feet high.
© 2018