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rafael maino
most recent 2 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
Continuing a thread from "What Is This"
Rafael, Yes, these are infrastipular prickles. It seems it also produces prickles elsewhere on the older wood - your photo 309122.
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Yes Patricia, and a lot of prickles on the new canes
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
I add new pics of the canes where you can see large number of prickles!!!
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
The flower-buds made me think of Thérèse Bugnet.
Is it maybe one of her ancestors: 'R. amblyotis'?
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
Buds of R. cinnamomea 'Plena'
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.282728
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
Some of my Thérèse Bugnet seedlings look like Your rose. The red twigs would speak for that.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
R. cinnamomea Plena seems not to have those glands on the flower-buds, like Rafael Maino's rose... and Your rose either.
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
I found the rose growing in a hedgerow where an old cottage once stood. Before I saw it in flower I thought it was 'The D'orsay Rose'. When the blooms opened it was obviously different. HMF set up a study page 'Bissett Cottage Rose' and I was contacted by other members who believed it was actually R. cinnamomea 'Plena'.
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.75130&tab=1
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
Your rose has red twigs, does Cinamomea have those too?
Thérèse Bugnet has!
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
Hmmmmm you're right it has green stems, So what do you think my rose could be? I have to say it does not look that similar to any of the parents of 'Thérèse Bugnet'.
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
Andrew maybe the last part of this discussion belongs to the page for Your found rose; 'Bissett Cottage Rose'.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Andrew, I think that your "Bisset Cottage Rose" is indeed 'Rosa cinnamomea plena', I saw it some years ago in Sangerhausen Rosarium, and the plant and flowers are identical, I will try to find some photos i take there, and add to your BCR page, to compare
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Rafael, that would be helpful.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Hello Jay-Jay, I think my rose is not R. amblyotis, if you look at the stipules, this in "Raff Majalis" are big and round, in R. amblyotis are thin and red, in "RM" are green, the leaves are not so big like in amblyotis, and have not so many leaflets, only 3 to 7. The clusters of buds are initially covered by bracts and the stipules of leaves. The leaves of "RM" are more dark green grey bluish than Amblyotis leaves. The hips in amblyotis are round, in "RM" are "turbinate"
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 2 DEC by Jay-Jay
Like You point out, one has always got to look at all the aspects, to define/determine a rose.
And not only at a rose-flower(bud).
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most recent 2 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 DEC by rafael maino
Hello Andrew, as I promise you I try to find my photos of R. majalis plena from Sangerhausen, but I find only one!, I add to the comments, and I hope it will be helpful
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Rafael, that is useful because you can see the red stems that this and my rose have that are green on Rosa cinnamomea 'Plena'.
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Initial post 25 NOV by rafael maino
Can anyone help me identify this rose?, I believe is Rosa majalis
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
A wonderfully clear set of photos Raphael. I would help if I could but do not have R. majalis.
I have noted the very glandular sepals on your rose and one of Cass's photos show this trait.
However, the old illustrations show infrastipular (just under the leaf) prickles and your photos show random prickles.
If you would like us to make a temporary special "study file" for your rose, please let us know and give us the "study name" you wish to use.
Alternatively, perhaps other members who grow R. Majalis could give their yea or nay opinion.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
Thank you very much Patricia for your response!!!, I take this plant from Germany, a suckering from a plant I find there, it resist coming to Patagonia!!!, I will take photos of the leaf (infrastipular), and add to the post, for the moment we can give it a study name "Raff Majalis"???, it's a rose that I want to have for many years, and specially R.majalis plena, or R. cinnamomea plena, but it's very difficult to get it, there are very few nurseries that offer this variety, and the most of are in Europe
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
It is very similar to R. cinnamomea 'Plena' from the photographs, I have R. cinnamomea 'Plena' if you would like some.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
Thank you for your comment, Andrew!!!, and Thank you again for your kindly offering, I will let you know if I or a friend travel to UK, so you can give me/or to a friend a little suckering of R. cinnamomea plena, and I will be so happy to take it to my garden in Patagonia!!!
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
I add photos of the leaves and flowers (close up)
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
Andrew, there is
R. cinnamomea plena. Syn. Double Cinnamon. and
R. cinnamomea. Syn. Single Cinnamon Rose.
Rafael's rose is single.

Rafael, I might have mislead you a little with my words "infrastipular (just under the leaf) prickles". They are just under the leaf, but are placed on the stem. This type of prickle is most clearly shown in the illustration that Cass has added of R. Cinnamomea (photo no. 78512) from John Lindley's Rosarum Monographia (1820), Tab 5 after p. 28.
I have opened a file for "Raff Majalis". Will you be able to move your photos to that file?
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 30 NOV by rafael maino
Hi Patricia, I just take a new photo of the "under the leaf", but on the stem where are placed two prickles, just a moment and I add this photo
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
i will respond further in "Raff Majalis".
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Thank you Patricia, I add 14 photos to "Raff Majalis", and please let me know if this is the authentic Rosa majalis or R. cinnamomea
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most recent 6 DEC 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 13 NOV 16 by rafael maino
I have a problem with my account: when I enter to my account and search the photos ( I put in the different issues: varieties of roses, Q & A FORUM, and study roses with study names), the answer is that didn't find nothing of that. At the same time if I enter by the name of some variety of rose, for example Isabelle Nabonnand, where I put photos from my garden, and I put my name, and the name of my garden: RAM, and enter here by my name, it open all the list of roses I grow, photos of my garden, etc. I want to correct this problem, it's difficult to me to understand what is happening, tell me what I can do to correct this problem: and the possibility of access to all the issues of the account. I want to add another e mail to my account, that is more up-to-date: rafaelmaino@gmail.com , Thank you HMF
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 13 NOV 16 by Patricia Routley
It is probably because you have once opened two accounts. There are no photos in your ramtoth account. But there are photos in your rafaelmaino account.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 15 NOV 16 by HMF Admin
Would you like us to combine your accounts ?
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 5 DEC 16 by rafael maino
Yes, I like to combine my accounts, thank you!!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 6 DEC 16 by HMF Admin
We have combined your accounts.
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