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Simon Voorwinde
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Initial post 12 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Charles, PLEASE post photos of your seedling! I've never been able to bring Purezza to seed. It will be exciting seeing your "baby pictures"! Thanks!
Reply #1 of 5 posted 14 NOV 11 by Charles Valin
Hi Kim, I did not take a picture when it flowered this season, now it is only green leaves... I will have to wait for next spring to post a picture. So far the plant and flowers were very small, it looks almost like a micro-mini.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 14 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
That's what the Banksiae seedling seem to do. The most "Banks-like" seeding I have is also very dwarf, and addicted to mildew, which they frequently outgrow. Even just plant and foliage photos are interesting, though. Thanks.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 22 NOV 12 by Simon Voorwinde
Is it thornless, Charles?
Reply #4 of 5 posted 28 NOV 12 by Charles Valin
Hi Simon,

The canes seem to be thornless, but there are still some tiny bristles below the leaves I believe.

I still have no image of the flowers but they look like a micro-mini cream.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 4 days ago by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Charles, were you ever able to photograph the blooms?
most recent 30 MAR 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 2 NOV 14 by Simon Voorwinde
This is a set of rose stamps released in 1999 by Norfolk Island. The last rose in the series shows a rose called 'David Buffet', who was the Chief Minister (see:, three years after we left the island. Does anyone know anything about this rose? I can find no references to it anywhere.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 3 NOV 14 by Jane Z
Wouldn't the Norfolk Island Philatelic Burea have a record of the photograph provenance (which should be a useful lead)?
Reply #2 of 4 posted 3 NOV 14 by Simon Voorwinde
From my personal experience with them, I would not hold my breath that the NI Philatelic Bureau would have such records. I have still have friends living on the island who I have enlisted to help track down the story behind this rose.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 3 NOV 14 by Jane Z
sadly their public online records only go back to 2000.

presumably Rotary Club members, as an example of 'local establishment' would remember the dates & at least some circumstances of the rose being named. presumably yours friends can contact DB direct can't they?

my long shot guess is that perhaps Swanes or similar nursery made available that particular naming right, purely for NI, which may explain why it is so difficult to trace in mainstream references ...
Reply #4 of 4 posted 30 MAR 20 by Patricia Routley
Six years on.... Simon, I have opened a file for ‘David Buffett’ and moved your photo. Did you ever find any more information on this rose? If you did, can you answer in its file please.
most recent 24 SEP 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 10 JAN 16 by Meryl
I just came looking for a rose named "Angel Wings" and was interested to read Simon's comment that he found the seed on eBay. I came looking because I was browsing Royston Petrie's seed catalogue and came across an entry for Rosa Chinensis Angel Wings. Royston Petrie may be the original supplier and perhaps able to provide more information about this rose's origin.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 26 MAR 16 by Simon Voorwinde
Hi Meryl,

Angel Wings is a generic name given to a group of roses that have little to do with chinensis and more to do with multiflora nana. Having germinated quite a few of these roses now I can clearly see the multiflora influence. The name I have given this seedling is a nick name and not a registered name.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 30 MAR 16 by Meryl
Yes, Simon. I'm familiar with this group of roses. Did you see Patricia Routley's article "Rose Marsh" in the Winter 2013 issue of the Journal of Heritage Roses in Australia? It dealt with these roses of which I have several. As you said of your Angel Wings, they make fantastic garden shrubs. I would dearly like a cutting of your beautiful little white. I know how busy you are but any chance? I'd be more than happy to transfer funds to cover the cost. I doubt I have anything sufficiently out-of-the-way nowadays to tempt you to a swap.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 31 MAR 16 by Patricia Routley
Simon, do you think your Angel Wings seeds could have been a selfed R. multiflora nana? It looks very similar to my rose from Katie Spriggs that I have thought was R. multiflora nana. Photos are on HelpMeFind.

Interesting that you Meryl, and Simon both have "Rose Marsh' and Simon has actually grown a seed or two from it. I have added that mouthful of a reference.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 31 MAR 16 by Meryl
Thank you for posting the reference, Patricia. I looked for it on helpmefind before replying to Simon and was disappointed not to find it.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 24 SEP 19 by Plazbo
I bought 5grams from RPSeeds. Given the apparent variability of the seed strain and looking to add better diploid juvenile blooming seed setters that are potentially thornless and of smaller stature (need to minify some species, chinesis and tea types.) I planted all of them...easily over 200, germination rate is quite high. In a month or two will have more info.

-edit- 10 Nov 2019
So many are blooming now. The vast majority of them are pale pink singles. Still too small to determine if they'll stay thornless. There have been a few that are double. 1 so far is double and deep pink approaching red. 1 single that is a bright pink. 1 single medium pink with darker/bluer foliage than the average. 2 had complete powdery mildew (while everything around them is clean). So far none that are true white (just a lot of pale pink that fades to white). Still more to flower, there is some variation as noted above but pale pink single is clearly the norm, very healthy for the most part too. I don't detect fragrance from them but the plants and flowers are quite small so that may change as they get bigger.

Not thornless...not densely thorned but obvious thorns. Will be crossing with completely thornless multiflora and then carrying that forward to the f2 to select thornless juvenile bloomers.

-edit- 9 April 2020
Black Spot (of some type) reared it's head and they all have it to some extent (some worse than others) like mentioned in the '"Angel Wings" selection' entry (separate to this) by Graham D Jenkins-Belohorska, it may be related to them being in pots rather than the ground, given how many of them there are a bunch will be planted out the front in the dead garden beds (rental), a test to see if health improves.

Either way, another thing (health) to select for with the angel wings x thornless multiflora crossings I'll be doing later in the year as thornless multiflora has remained spotless year round, possibly an indicator of it having the Rdr1 and/or Rdr2 genes.
most recent 16 SEP 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 NOV 16 by Simon Voorwinde
The Australia patent site states 'Blue for You, was bred in 2001, not 2006:

"‘PEJAMBLU’ was the resultant seedling from the cross between ‘ROGSCRIV’ syn. Natural Beauty (seed parent) and an unnamed seedling (pollen parent) in 2001. "
Reply #1 of 4 posted 24 NOV 16 by Patricia Routley
Simon, I've altered the date from 2006 to 2001.
We have a pollen parent of [Summer Wine x Scrivbell] and I am reluctant to delete that in favour of .....unnamed seedling.
But I cannot find where we got that parentage from.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 24 NOV 16 by Simon Voorwinde
I'm assuming 'Summer Wine' x SCRIVbell = unnamed seedling so all is good.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 16 SEP 19 by Rosentrost
Is it possible, that the other Summerwine (breeder: Warriner) is parent of Blue for you?
Looks more like a Bfy-Parent than Summer Wine bred by Kordes...
Reply #4 of 4 posted 16 SEP 19 by Patricia Routley
Possible, but I doubt it. We have:
Summerwine (hybrid tea, Warriner, 1974)
Summer Wine (climber, Kordes before 1980)
This latter rose received good reviews in England (see the Note and the 1983 reference for it.) and the breeder, James, lived in England.
The Patent mentions Summer Wine (not Summerwine) with unfortunately no code.
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