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most recent 3 JAN 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 23 OCT 08 by kahlenberg
Available from - pfingstrosengarten
Reply #1 of 2 posted 26 OCT 08 by HMF Admin
We don't have this nursery listed, can you tell us more about ? Do you have a website address?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 JAN 19 by Ophrys26
Their website address is :

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The history of their nursery began at Caluire in the Rhône in 1849. It is first of all an establishment of general nurseries created by Fleury Jean-Baptiste Gabriel Ruitton (1813-1893). His son Francis Ruitton (1838-1905) developed the first crops of Herbaceous Peonies .

The son in-law of Francis Ruitton, Benoît Rivière (1865-1913), greatly expanded the culture and added crops of Tree Peonies. In 1908, the catalog had already 360 varieties of Herbaceous Peonies and 240 varieties of Tree Peonies. Benoît Rivière participitated in the floral exhibitions in Bordeaux, Lyon and Paris and in London or Turin where he won numerous awards. Benoît Rivière died in 1913 at the age of 48 years while his son Antoine was only 11 years old. His wife Marie was able, however, to retain a portion of the crops until 1925 at which time Antoine could take over the management of the nursery.

Antoine Rivière, despite difficult conditions until the late '40s, maintened the collection and added his own new varieties until 1980, date of his death.

At that time, his son Michel, who picked up the nursery for over 20 years, decided to reduce the activity of the general nursery and to specialize it in the collection of Peonies. New varieties created by Rivière nursery, as well as new ones from China, Japan, Switzerland and the United States, gave a new impetus to the establishment. In 1990, this specialty became exclusive.

A new installation was needed to improve the culture conditions. It is at Crest (Drôme) at the foot of the Vercors mountains, the crossroads of Dauphiné and Provence, near the Rhône valley that Jean-Luc Rivière, sixth in line, continues now this exciting research work : obtaining, multiplication, cultivation and selling the Peonies. The collection now includes more than 750 species, varieties, and hybrids of Tree Peonies and Herbaceous Peonies, as well as many "Itoh Hybrids". This collection, recognized french national collection by the CCVS (Conservatoire des Collections Végétales Spécialisées) is world famous and remains the largest in Europe.
most recent 27 JAN 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 OCT 12 by kahlenberg
this rose turned out to be hardier than described, because it made it through last winter which was very severe here (-30 °). even some gallicas faded away.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 9 FEB 13 by Chris
how has it done since?
Reply #2 of 6 posted 10 FEB 13 by kahlenberg
very well, so far; all branches are still green, but winter is not over yet. try to get some pictures.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 11 FEB 13 by Jay-Jay
I have to agree, over here it survived with flying colours lower temps than -20°C.
See my pictures of last year and last winter.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 27 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
It suffers from die-back in a cold U.K. winter such as 2010 when the temperature dropped to -18 in my location. We generally get cool wet summers that encourage sappy growth in climates with warmer drier summers plants can tolerate colder winter temperatures.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 27 JAN 17 by Jay-Jay
Andrew, please take a look at this photo: Juicy as possible... and the photo's taken at later moments. Brown leaves, but like a Phoenix it came back, despite the similar climate as Yours.
Maybe You fertilized it with too much Nitrogen late in the season???
Reply #6 of 6 posted 27 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Oh yes very much like that although there are far fewer leaves on my plant in winter. It is only in a very cold year that this happens. The problem in The U.K. is that being an island we don't have a continental climate with long summers and long winters. Spring can start in February and Winter can still be hanging around in May, the same in reverse happens in autumn. My garden increases this problem being in the bottom of a valley. Growing vegetables is difficult as there is quite a short growing season in 2007 I had a -3 frost on May 23rd. Frosts occur in June and September frequently, in 2015 there was a bloody frost in July! High rain fall in summer and constant heavy dew create the perfect conditions for blackspot although I have almost never seen any types of mildews or of rust. I don't feed any roses in open ground after the beginning of July but that does not stop weak and sappy growth continuing to grow throughout October and into November. But as you say, "like a phoenix" Madame Alfred always bounces back. It is always just about the first rose to start blooming and the last to finish. Although on average years I would estimate my garden to be zone 7 it is rather immaterial because winter can be so erratic, in 2015 we had a temperature of 14.5 as a night time low in December, a record warm temperature, in 2010 during the same period I woke to find crab claws of frost on my bathroom mirror!! I think die back also has something to do with mineral deficiencies in the soil, boron in particular, which I am attempting to correct and will write about my ideas on that matter in due course.
most recent 16 NOV 14 SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 JUN 09 by sbmurphy
Is Don Juan disease resistant? I live in Victoria BC and have trouble with blackspot and mildew. I am looking for a med. red climber for a pillar in the front yard but I don't spray. The front yard is south facing.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 JUN 09 by kahlenberg
here in austria it is a very common, often planted climber, although not performing well if planted in hot and dry sites. the flowers will then burn easily and mildew is a big problem.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 JUN 09 by sbmurphy
Thank you for your feedback.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 16 NOV 14 by Hardy
People love this rose for its velvety blooms, which most noses find to be exceptionally fragrant and excellently scented. As a plant, it's kind of ho hum. It has middling overall disease resistance, with some tendency to rust. Moderately vigorous, reasonably robust. People forgive it because they love those flowers, but there are much more disease resistant roses out there, if you really need that.

I'd also add that this is a rose best grown by doors, or commonly used walkways (but not sidewalks, where the flowers will be stolen). It's not the most floriferous of plants, so from a distance it's not all that special, it's just wonderful up close. You'll probably be pleased with this rose to the extent that you can exploit that, whether in your garden, or in a vase on your table.
most recent 20 SEP 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 18 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
seedling of mme abel chatenay
Reply #1 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
Looks great this Madame Abel Chatenay seedling, was this an open pollination?
Looks as if pollinated by an Austin.
I like the use of an early HT. Didn't know, that it still existed.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
yes, it was an open pollination and you may be quite right about the austin - abraham darby and charles austin are growing close to mme abel chatenay.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
You might open a breeder listing at Your account, when You click on Breeders under People in the left column.
And register/upload this rose on HMF under Your breeder-name.
Does the plant behave well as for diseases and how is the scent?
Reply #4 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
it is doing quite well, despite it´s tender looks, as far as i can tell by now, for it is only in it´s second year. the plant itself grows a bit like a tea; it has good foliage, too, like it´s mother´s, but prone to mildew - no blackspot by now. the flowers aren´t as big as the pictures may implicate; they are about 6 cm in diameter. i myself cannot recognise any scent, but other people say there is some tea scent (i´m not very good at recognising tea-scent in general)
Reply #5 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
Your seedling sounds promising and it survived its first years and winters.
Maybe once established the flowers might get bigger and mildew might get less a problem (..or, I hope not, worse).
How does Madame Abel Chatenay behave herself in the Austrian climate with the cold winters (You described at Abraham Darby)?
Reply #6 of 7 posted 20 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
i must contess that i lost my first one in winter 2000, so i keep it in a pot indoors.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 20 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
Thank You, that's no option for me. But it is a very nice rose!
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