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Initial post 28 APR 18 by Jay-Jay
How do You manage to keep Mrs B. R. Cant alive in Your 5b climate?
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 30 APR 18 by Nippstress
Teas are obviously a long shot in zone 5 and nowhere near as robust as they'd be in warmer zones. I've tried lots of teas and had only 4 or 5 with multiple year survival. The best has been Maman Cochet at 9 years and counting, next Madame Antoine Mari, then variable health and decline of both Mrs. BR Cant and Duchess de Brabant. I have these roses planted in the most protected microclimate in my yard, which equates to a virtual zone 6. Then over the winter, I pack filled paper leaf bags stacked vertically around the edges and midst of the tea bed, which also includes other temperature fussy roses. The filled bags provide a buffer from the wind and another virtual zone's protection for the most part, while still leaving the tops open for some air circulation. I pile oak leaves that don't mat down into the spaces between bags as an attempt to have some surviving cane over the winter, but I rarely have any surviving cane in the teas.
With all this effort, I've had surviving teas for about 7-9 years with canes that die back to the ground every spring. Obviously it's something teas really don't like to do and I think this last year was the final straw for Mrs. BR Cant and Duchess de Brabant since they don't seem to be coming back from the winter this time. My teas at best can reach to 3 feet, which is laughably small for the warmer zones, but it's taller than they'd be if I didn't grow them at all. Georgetown Tea is the other tea I'd been able to overwinter for multiple years, but it succumbed to a gardening mishap about 4 years ago and she wasn't spectacular enough in my zone to try to replace her. Niles Cochet is one I have on my list to try next year, since Maman does so well, and I'm giving a go at Rosette Delizy this year just because I find her flowers enchanting. She's a long shot at best, but then so are any teas in zone 5b as you note.
It's hardly something I'd recommend to other zone 5 gardeners however experienced but I enjoy a challenge and the connection to history. It's not like teas take up a lot of space here and I'd be heavily winter protecting those beds anyway, so no extra work. I soooo do not spray or otherwise fuss - with 1000 roses I can't possibly do so anyway - but I find this is an achievable challenge that's worth the modest work involved.
Cynthia
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 30 APR 18 by Jay-Jay
Thank You for this extended reply. I'm in zone 6 a or b, but I consider Tea's as a too hard challenge, but wanted to try a few. But I understand, that's paying attention, hard labor, failure and unhappy roses.

I'll keep in mind, what member "give me caffeine" shared: ""Not exactly a 'one of everything' aspiration, but roses from each class, if possible." Ah yes, that. I had similar visions myself, but fortunately haven't yet had the opportunity to try and indulge such delusions. This means I'm currently stuck with a few good ones."
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 30 APR 18 by Nippstress
Jay-Jay, don't let me discourage you from trying teas. I know from your many hmf comments that you are knowledgeable about roses, so you have the perspective from which to give these roses a try. I figure it's only a $20 gamble for any given tea, and during the growing season I don't think they're particularly any more work than any other rose. Just keep your expectations modest as you obviously already do, and enjoy the experiment. I don't actually think teas are the hardest rose class - I have yet to successfully overwinter a China rose, though I've seen others in zone 6 say Archduke Charles is feasible there.
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 30 APR 18 by Jay-Jay
Thank you for encouraging me... and maybe others, to give growing Teas and other gems a shot/a try.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 30 APR 18 by Give me caffeine
If Archduke Charles is feasible, Old Blush should be too.
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 1 MAY 18 by Nippstress
Ah, Give Me Caffeine - now you're encouraging me! Old Blush has survived at the back of my tea row so I might give Archduke Charles another try again. I love challenges and roses have a way of providing them!
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 1 MAY 18 by Andrew from Dolton
I grow 'Archduc Charles', 'Hume's Blush', 'Old Blush', Viridiflora', 'Slater's Crimson', multiflora 'Watsoniana', 'Sanguinea' and 'Park's Yellow' which is probably 'Fee Opale' in big pots up against a warm south facing wall. In winter and early spring they are covered by big sheets of glass that I scrounged when a neighbour had a new conservatory.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 1 MAY 18 by Give me caffeine
It should work. They're basically the same genes. They can even look identical at times. Not that OB will ever look like what AC is supposed to look like, but I have seen AC doing a very good OB impersonation.

Personally, I have so many other challenges around here that I prefer my roses to not provide any extra ones.
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 2 MAY 18 by Nippstress
Cool, Andrew - thanks for providing other roses to try among the China types. What zone are you and do you do particular protection?
Give Me Caffeine - the mutability of AC is part of the attraction, along with those lovely dark outer petals and lighter interiors that it can get. He's already on my list to request from Burlington next year.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 2 MAY 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Thank-you Nippetress. The zone system favoured in the USA doesn't work particularly well with me. Here the winter temperature doesn't usually drop below -6C although we occasionally get a -18C. The problem with roses like the Chinas or Teas that need warm climates is that in this part of the UK the summers are cool and wet which they hate. We have a long spring-time and autumn. In the bottom of a valley, frosts at the beginning of June and the end of August are not unusual, in 2015 after a very mild winter with almost no frost we had a slight ground frost in July. Most people on HMF garden in locations with long hot summers even if they get colder winters the warmth and dryness ripens the wood. Last year we had rain in some form or another almost every day from the end of July until October. It is horrendous for blackspot although I have never seem any signs of rust or mildew. In my climate roses grow much shorter. 'Blush Noisette' can be a climber in warm climates, with me it barely gets above 70cm. David Austin roses, hybrid-teas and floribundas don't really grow well for me but gallicas and their hybrids seem to like my garden.
I grow China roses, because I am fascinated by historically important roses, in pots up against the warm south facing wall of the house where they also receive additional protection from the over hanging eaves. Then in the winter I cover them over with old conservatory windows. The only China roses I grow in the open are chinensis minima and 'Pompom de Paris'.

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(edit). 'Old Blush' and 'Hume's Blush' grow very well both reaching 130CM with 'Old Blush' being almost constantly in flower. 'Archduc Charles' is slower at about 60CM about the same as 'Sanguinea'. 'Archduc Charles' interests me particularly because you can see its genes at work in modern roses like 'Double Delight'.
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Initial post 3 JUL 17 by Nippstress
I tried to log in to donate to hmf as usual, and the form that comes up when I click "donate" is stuck at $0.00, with the "3" floating somewhere above. It wouldn't let me enter any other amount, and obviously that donation didn't go through either.
Happy to donate if I can get it to work!
Cynthia
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 JUL 17 by HMF Admin
How kind of you to (want to) support HelpMeFind. It is much appreciated and needed.

Well take a look to see what's going on here and let you know.
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most recent 30 MAY 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 MAY 17 by Nastarana
Nipstress, are you still growing 'Antico Amore'? How well did it survive the winter for you? I notice that Tatiana in Moscow also has it. Can you recommend this rose for cold zone growers?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 30 MAY 17 by Nippstress
Hi Nastarana
Mine survived the winter OK, but I do have mine in a zone 6 pocket of my yard. As I recall, it didn't overwinter for me well in a typical zone 5 spot, but that's part shade and it might have affected hardiness. I remember a friend in Omaha has recommended that and she has typical zone 5 locations. I'd put its hardiness in the zone 5/6 range - not robustly hardy in zone 5 but worth a try. So far mine has stayed short but it's only coming into its third year.
Cynthia
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most recent 20 DEC 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 DEC 16 by Nastarana
Nipstress, do you still grow the rose 'Wimi', and what is your experience with it? I am a fan of the roses of Matthias Tantau, Jr. Some of his roses, such as 'Lampion' and 'Cinnabar' have done quite well for me, while others are perhaps not suitable for zone 5 conditions.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 19 DEC 16 by Nippstress
Hi Nastarana
My Wimi died in a typical zone 5 spot, so I'm replacing it this year from Rogue Valley to put in my virtual zone 6 spot. Often I'll find that is enough to get marginally hardy roses through the winter. I doubt it's zone 5 hardy but it might be zone 6 hardy, though unlikely to be robust. I love the Tantau roses too so I make every effort when they have one like this where the colors are so lovely.
Cynthia
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 20 DEC 16 by Nastarana
Thank you for your response. You experience is about what I had feared. I have a spot in front of a south facing wall where I might be able to shoehorn in 'Wimi'. Did he get very big for you?
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 20 DEC 16 by Nippstress
Given that he was marginally hardy to start with I don't recall that he was much bigger than a foot or two. Front of the border and highly protected is best I think.
Cynthia
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