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Initial post 18 JAN 12 by goncmg
Dainty Bess REALLY escapes me, single and pink and still around in huge volume 83 years later. This one ALSO escapes me albeit less than Dainty Bess because the size of the bloom can be immense. In my experience the blooms on White Wings can reach 6 inches across and again, apparently the maroon stamen/anther is hugely recessive so may have had a hand in making this one so marketable. I have a hard time not believing Dainty Bess is not a parent because the plants look so similar, foliage and habit. Singles just annoy me when sold as Hybrid Teas! Anyone who has hybridized at all hs had a zillion Dainty Bess pop up in the seed bed and only slightly less White Wings..............the variety just is what it is..................your only choice if you like white and like singles..................
Reply #1 of 6 posted 18 JAN 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hybrid Teas were what they were all those years ago. These days, they'd be pretty well absorbed into the floribunda class. I've collected and grown most of the single HTs available in the US at one time or another and found them to be elegant and exquisite. The one I have maintained in my current garden is Cecil, one of the most satisfactory yellow roses I've ever grown.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 18 JAN 12 by goncmg
I just do not like the singles, Kim. I know and appreciate that they were in vogue for a while, Irish Fireflame, Ellen Willmott, Mrs. Oakley Fisher...........just can never get on issue, I admit...............Cecil is a good one, had a plant years ago..........but even Lilac Charm, just for me, totally personally, hate singles.......
Reply #3 of 6 posted 5 SEP by petera
Do you still have Cecil and are happy that it is correctly identified? It would be great if you were able to post some good diagnostic pictures as they would help with identifying "Bishops Lodge Precious Porcelain".
Reply #4 of 6 posted 5 SEP by Rupert, Kim L.
I wish I could, Petera. I loved Cecil but knew when we sold our old home and retired to Santa Maria, we wouldn't have enough room to take everything with us. I gave Cecil to Tom Carruth at The Huntington Library for their rose garden. He retrieved it from me at our home on March 15, 2015 to take to The Huntington to have it budded and put in the gardens there. I've just looked at your Bishop's Lodge Precious Porcelain and I don't believe that is Cecil. Cecil isn't a creamy color, but a definite yellow. It has more pointed petals, like all the photos of it on the Cecil page demonstrate. The foliage is a bright, dark green as opposed to the reddish, nearly "Tea-like" look of the foliage I see from Bishop's Lodge Precious Porcelain. I would bet your rose is one of the "Irish" series from Dickson, perhaps Irish Simplicity, though from the photos, I would bet it is Irish Harmony. And, yes, I am sure my rose was properly identified. It was propagated from a very old planting, dating from before WWII, when the single HT's were still commonly available.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 6 SEP by petera
Thanks Kim, I also regret not taking plants when I last moved home. Cecil has been generally discounted as the identity of BL Prec. Porcelain but some contemporary pictures of Cecil would be useful regardless. I think Irish Harmony is the best match. I am a big fan of many of the singles. Peter
Reply #6 of 6 posted 6 SEP by Rupert, Kim L.
My pleasure, Peter. I'm also a fan of the single HT's. I wish there were more of them still around! It's fortunate several more have survived down there.
most recent 24 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 24 JUL by goncmg
There is a lot of unknown with Lilac Charm's parents I think, something much more modern in that lineage than is evident in face value. Because NEWS is really modern in habit, bloom size, there is basically no scent.....the plant shows no traces of gallica or species, it looks and behaves just like any modern bedder. Here in NE Florida the summer blooms are pointless: they don't fully open, they tend to have misshapen petals (overly ruffled?) if they do open, the color is washed out grayish magenta. In the spring and fall the blooms are huge and vivid. Surprisingly free of fungal diseases. Repeat bloom is fast.
most recent 16 JUN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 15 JUN by goncmg
Is this one still hanging around Robert Neil Rippetoe??
Reply #1 of 1 posted 16 JUN by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Bierkreek had it.

Whether it's still there is hard to say.

We haven't communicated in years.

You could ask Kathy Strong. I shared it with her.
most recent 14 JUN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 JUN by goncmg
Completely believe Sterling Silver is a parent. The foliage is very similar.
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