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most recent 13 JUN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 JUN by Nastarana
This does not resemble the other photos of 'Simon Bolivar' in color or shape. Possibly a mislabel?
Reply #1 of 2 posted 13 JUN by goncmg
Nope. It’s Simon. It was an old camera and the color,came out too orange but I really got that amazing star shaped bloom on my plant all those years ago.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 13 JUN by goncmg
One of Asakombus photos turned out the same shade. The old cameras and the bright color.
most recent 29 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
The photos are really pretty. Definitely descends from Pernets, but the foliage is too nice to be purely Pernet type. The foliage is really pretty in the photos.
Reply #1 of 13 posted 17 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
The blooms are somewhat longer-lasting than your typical "here today, gone today" Pernetiana, too. Last three days each, at least.
Reply #2 of 13 posted 17 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
Vintage also had 'Mevrouw G. A. van Rossem' and 'Heinrich Wendland', so it is obviously not either of those.
Reply #3 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
I have not seen it in person, so it is hard to judge, but some of the traits resemble wichurana traits, sometimes seen in Brownell's roses, and I see in my own hybrids. The foliage density, foliage shine, prickle type. But this is a standard bush type?
Reply #4 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
Yes -- it grows tall over the course of the summer, vigorously extending its canes, but, still, like a typical bush.
Reply #5 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
I wish I could help further. The foliage is a lot like Orange Ruffels and Lafter, which have a similar plant type, too. I looked at all sorts of Brownell Roses, as well as roses from Golden Glow. I don't know what this rose actually is. In some photos, Orange Ruffels *almost* looks the same, but I think that is coincidental.
Reply #6 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
There is variability in the color of the bloom. So far, the posted photos of the blooms are mostly in the apricot, orange or straw phase, but it does become a clear yellow sometimes. I've just put up a little photo of it in a bud vase showing the yellow phase. It is a mystery -- the virus likely indicating it was once a commercial variety, but no obvious candidates.
Reply #7 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
Wow, yeah. The color range is wide. The petal shape is uncommon for Pernet types too.
Reply #8 of 13 posted 5 AUG 16 by VictoriaRosa
Just FYI-- I have both Orange Ruffels and Lundy's Lane Yellow and they are very different roses.
Reply #9 of 13 posted 13 AUG 16 by Michael Garhart
Thanks for the update on this mystery! Do you have other Brownell roses or roses that look like this mystery rose?
Reply #10 of 13 posted 13 AUG 16 by Patricia Routley
The pedicel prickles, the veining on the petals, and the deep green leaves are all directing my thoughts to something like 'Mevrouw G. A. Van Rossem' or a relation of that rose. I am in the middle of adding references for Mevrouw and note that there are a couple of other similar roses mentioned that you might like to investigate.
Reply #11 of 13 posted 16 AUG 16 by VictoriaRosa
No, I don't Right now, my Lundy isn't doing so well--I don't think it likes our Oregon climate as well as California, plus, I'm afraid I've let some other plants encroach on it. Which is all to say I don't have a lot to look at right now. It has never grown very well for me; I'll have to decide whether to keep it. Orange Ruffels, on the other hand, I've had for many years now, and while it stays small it is quite healthy and a reliable bloomer.
Reply #12 of 13 posted 28 APR by goncmg
Helen Hayes!!! It just came to me! You were on target! The clustering, the confused centers, the bright glossy foliage, the colors and variable coloration, the narrow leaf. Possible differences with number of thorns. But Michael Garhart I think you are have cracked the code here re: Brownell blood.
Reply #13 of 13 posted 29 APR by Deborah Petersen
I think Michael Gerhart may have cracked the code, too -- this rose seems very much in the Brownell style, and very much like 'Helen Hayes', if maybe not quite. Vintage did offer 'Helen Hayes' at the same time they were offering this rose, so presumably they could/would have compared them... In their catalog, Vintage describes this rose as having "abundant apple-green foliage" and 'Helen Hayes' as having "glossy olive-brown foliage" (not quite sure what THAT is), but the 'Helen Hayes' foliage in Margaret Furness' photo of it at Ruston's seems very much like the foliage my Lundy's shows (and I wouldn't say either "apple-green" or "olive-brown" -- just a nice deep, shiny green).
most recent 28 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 APR by goncmg
I think the found rose ‘Lundy Lane Yellow’ might be Helen Hayes.
most recent 25 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 30 JUL by goncmg
Striking coloration, raspberry caramel comes to mind. Very small plant, very small blooms even in mild temperatures of early spring. Blooms are coming in clusters as own root plant slowly develops. About the size of a miniflora this one is and I’m not happy about that. I’m also getting blackspot on this variety, 1 of 3 out of 70 that have it. I’m holding off making a “cut” here but the color alone won’t save it. I’m not a grower of minis and minifloras that’s the big deal breaker. Then there is the blackspot…….I’ll hold off until end of the year, will give it a full season but so far other than color it doesn’t appeal to me nor is it a good fit for my collection.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 25 MAR by Matthew 0rwat
Probably needs to be grafted/budded
Reply #2 of 2 posted 25 MAR by goncmg
I think I’ll try that as I do still have mine. I put it with the floribundas I grow and it fits in a lot better with them. The plant has gotten healthier and it does seem happy and eager. It remains very small scale with lots of clusters.
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