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Initial post 15 MAY 13 by goncmg
Just got this one as a sub from Heirloom...............actually hate striped roses and put it on my alt list as a dare and wow, joke on, what am I to expect? How sickly is this one in humid 6a Columbus? Is it really striped?Does it set hips? Is there any reason I should keep it and not "gift" it away?
Reply #1 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Patricia Routley
I don't have this rose, but it seems, that yes it is striped. It did not have consistently good reports in New Zealand and I suspect that it may not be healthy in your humid climate. According to the Australian patent, the hips are medium to large and pitcher shaped. There are a few more references to be read now.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Nastarana
I consider O & L to be a gimick. I have never seen one that was not a puny, unattractive specimen. You might want to try a rigorous fertilizer regimen, to bring out its' best growth and color.
Reply #3 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by goncmg
Thanks Nastarana and Patricia! Yeah, I figured this one would be a "dud" and I'll see what I can do with it.....why I listed it as a sub when I don't even LIKE striped roses is beyond me, guess I wanted to tempt the fates. Maybe it will surprise me, I will put it on the same "medicine" schedule that Soleil d'Or and Golden Showers get: a little spritz of Rose Pride each and everyday.....
Reply #4 of 14 posted 4 DEC 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I grow it in Tasmania, Australia, with no care at all... it's a tall strong plant.
Reply #5 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Margaret Furness
It was very good in my sister's garden in the Adelaide Hills - zone 9b, Mediterranean climate with dry summers. Nice effect with the burgundy leaves.
Reply #6 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Lyn G
It was a dawg in my San Diego garden. It was the first rose I ever shovel pruned ... and I still have no regret. I do like and still grow other McGredy roses, but this one .... not for me.

Reply #7 of 14 posted 1 MAY 16 by LaurelZ
Can you be more specific about why you did not like it? I saw it in a nursery, and I am posting. It looks ok, its not flopping. The foliage, although I did not get a shot looked very attractive and shiny. It appears that Weeks has reclassified Oranges and Lemons as a shurb rose.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by Lyn G
Sorry to be so late responding ...

In my experience, roses are regional. 'Oranges and Lemons' just did not like my San Diego climate. That does not necessarily mean that it will not do well for you.

When I moved to the mountains of northern California, roses that did exceptionally well for me in San Diego did not like the climate up here. Often the success of a rose depends upon where you are gardening.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by LaurelZ
thank you, but it was sold out. It has nice looking leaves.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 27 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
It's not a bad rose. Blooms well. Color is nice. Survives decently. Average health.

The bad part is the plant architecture, which does not fit into any practical idea. It is not quite a pillar. It is not a shrub or floribunda. It's very floppy. It can be grown decently inside a pillar structure, where it can sort of flop over the top.
Reply #11 of 14 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
I'll add to this...I grew this one when it first came out. In my experience it was a very disease resistant stripe, very bright. However, the blooms were small, you couldn't really cut them as they aren't really on long enough stems, and it throws these giant arching canes. I don't know if it would grow better as a sorta-climber or what. It was just odd and awkward, not necessarily bad.
Reply #12 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
The first time I saw a picture of this rose I fell in love and had to have it. I adore striped roses. Floribundas don't grow so well in my garden so I expected to have to put up with extreme blackspot for a couple of years then remove a half dead plant. But not so. It is tolerably healthy with me and flowers on and off all season, never putting on a big display but a continual one. The dark coloured foliage against the flowers adds another dimension to its appeal. However my only criticism is that when out of flower it is a rather unattractive leggy shrub, so I grow plenty of other plants around it and ignore it to the best of my ability when not in bloom. Never growing very high, by the end of the season it just about manages to get 1 metre tall.
Reply #13 of 14 posted 8 APR by LaurelZ
I was able to buy one and I find it to rapid growing, but not leggy. The flowers are small, but don't sag. I suggest maybe its not getting enough sun light or the soil is poor. I also suggest pruning overly long canes to encourage more wide growth.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
It hates the cool wet summers here, if the flowers weren't so striking I wouldn't grow it.
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Initial post 12 MAY 06 by Unregistered Guest

Hi, How does your Colette grow? Vigorous? Lots of flowers? How often is the repeat? Is it Leggy? Would it bloom in lots of humidity in july and august? thanks so have a fabulous rose list! terry
Reply #1 of 8 posted 15 MAY 06 by Rupert, Kim L.

I've only been exposed to three plants of this rose, and all three were in one garden along the coast here in Southern California, where there is little difference between summer and winter temperatures (compared to those inland) and there is fairly constant humidity. Based upon how those three plants performed, I never wanted to grow it anywhere else. The petals were too soft to deal with the humidity, losing color and balling terribly in one day. There wasn't much fragrance (likely due to the conditions being too damp and cool), but what there was, deteriorated into a foul smelling glob of sogginess. The year they were in the garden, there was constant mildew with bursts of black spot and rust. Yes, I know climbers require up to three years to come into their own and develop into decent plants. All three of these were planted as fifteen gallon plants, with between seven and eight feet of growth on them, so they were fairly mature specimen. PERHAPS, they may have improved with time, but neither the home owner nor I was willing to put up with how disappointing this rose was in that location.

It's not the same color, but acceptable for this installation, and it's not as double, therefore not the same look as his wife originally wanted, but the three Collette were replaced with three Spice so Nice, which have been phenomenal! They're constantly in bloom; have good fragrance and are bullet proof in this location, with absolutely no disease, even though no cultural practices used on the Collettes were changed for Spice so Nice. The difference between the two roses performances are due entirely to the superior characteristics and suitability of Spice so Nice for these conditions.

Reply #5 of 8 posted 3 JAN 13 by rose dabbler
Hi Kim,

What a coincidence...I was abbout to buy Colette to plant near my own Spice so Nice! As you know, the Spice So Nice has a much bolder coloration, and it IS healthy and beautiful and now around 18 feet tall (therefore I cannot bear ro get rid of it) but the orange tones in newly opened spice are stronger than I thought they would be when I planted it. (I love the softer two-day-old blooms.) I have an 1890's cottage, and love the old rose look...but with just a BIT more punch. I also have The Impressionist nearby. I thought the warm peachy pink of Colette between the two orange/gold/apricot climbers might bring some old-fashioned pink softness without clashing or contrasting too much. Can you think of another large bush/short climber similar in color and form to Colette that i might use that would do well in high humidity? I live in Western Maryland and the rose would be in a full-sun, south-facing, protected spot. I would be happy to e-mail you a photo (tried to upload photos to helpmefind but for some reason had trouble doing so.) THANK YOU!
Reply #6 of 8 posted 3 JAN 13 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Cynthia, Colette may or may not do well where you are. I don't know how much of the issues here along the coast were humidity related and how much was the lack of heat. In Malibu where they grew, "hot" was high seventies, low eighties. What's "hot" where you are? Black spot resistance is something I can't comment on because they've identified FIVE strains of black spot across the US. The "brand" I have is likely not the same one you have so what remains clean here may collapse under that pressure for you.

You might look at something like Westerland or Autumn Sunset. Not as double, but durable in most places and in similar coloring with great scent. They can be grown as shrubs or, left lightly to unpruned, develop into shorter climbers. Garden Sun might also be something which might be suitable. Conard Pyle, its introducer, states it has good disease resistance and cold hardiness.

I am leaning more toward the recent introductions rather than OGRs because they are easily available budded, so you'll have a leg up on growth and they may be more disease resistant and cold hardy in your climate. I hope it helps! Good luck.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 31 MAR 16 by LaurelZ
When you replace any rose it get less fungal the first year. The real test would be how does Spice So Nice preform long term? Spice So Nice is a completely different color and not as pretty as Colette. And my Colette does great in San Francisco. In fact, it has much less fungal then any other of my roses in San Francisco. I do spray, but still Colette was the best performer. All of them were sprayed, but only Colette looks completely clean in the leaves with no signs of rust, black spot or powdery mildew.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 28 MAR 07 by eve
I've got two Colette and the places they are planted at are very different in soil quality. The better the better! The one's planted in a deeper soil is much more vigorous than the other.Still; even the one planted in the poor soil is a beautiful bush of 5 feet heights. Its secon flush is less generous than the firts, yet... Its a robust beautiful rose with very charming, delicate colour. I am glad t ohave her in my garden, even though I prefer old roses, she has practically all those qualities..Grettings, Eve
Reply #3 of 8 posted 5 MAR 08 by Unregistered Guest
mine is about 4yrs and it rarely bloom. I planted on the other side of the rose arbor, it recieved plenty of water and sunshine, but I thinks I only see it bloom once. I wonder what I have done wrong?
Reply #4 of 8 posted 5 MAR 08 by Henrique Rodrigues Vivián
I'm glad you are going well.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 2 JUN 17 by buckeyesouth
Very disappointed in this rose. It wilts quickly in the heat and also dislikes humidity. A so-so in terms of vigor. It has managed to survive and bloom regularly, but requires perfect weather to make a display.
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Initial post 23 JAN 13 by goncmg
The "experts" on here tend to have no sense of humor and also take the fact they live in blessed climates for granted. This site is an amazing resource for rose lovers but I would caution any "newer" grower for asking for a lot of "advice" as the administrators all seem to live in Santa Barbara and have no "idea" that most of us---------------Omaha, Copenhagen, Paris, Columbus, etc and LOL---------------have MILDEW and BLACKSPOT to deal with...............never in my llife have I had to repeatedly deal with "peers" with whom I have some "common interest" who ARE ALL POSERS. With THIS post I give up. I absolutely give up. Good luck getting people involved when the administrators are closed minded, belittling, and tree hugging.........................I could have been a huge asset..............but after a year of being spoken down to and today being TOLD I SHOULD FIND ANOTHER PLANT TO GROW AS I SPRAY......................sorry................good luck to you all..........................................I am DONE.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 23 JAN 13 by Lyn G
Quick correction ... HMF has administrators working on the database in several different countries as well as many different parts of the United States. However, we also have site members from around the world who participate on the Q & A Forum.

Your COMMENTS are truly valued and would be greatly missed as you are writing about roses that were introduced a long time ago and many of us have never had the experience of growing them.

Please don't even think of giving up growing roses. One of the things we have both probably learned over the long period of time where roses have been our passion is that it is always something. The longer I grow roses, the longer the list of "somethings" seems to become. Then, I just do the best I can and love my roses. I'll just bet it's the same for you.

Reply #2 of 6 posted 23 JAN 13 by Patricia Routley
Chris, Don’t you dare give up. I have been reading your comments now for quite a while and your enthusiasm and love for every rose you talk about comes through loud and clear. Having collected every old Rose Annual that I could, devoured them, indexed them and shared just a smidgeon of what I really want to share, I can especially appreciate your fascination with the Rose Annuals, as well as your passion for roses.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 23 JAN 13 by Margaret Furness
I'm not an administrator, on my file I state that I'm not an expert, and the options I suggested included Tea roses. I'm uncomfortable with anyone, expert or novice, being told that they "should" spray more often, which is what triggered my posting in reply to a previous one of yours. I didn't say you "should" do anything: the implication was not to accept "should" from others. I regret that I didn't make that clearer.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 25 JAN 13 by goncmg
Patricia and Lyn: THANK YOU :-) are all stuck with me, and with a solid promise to not be so sensitive as well. I cannot ever hide it, I couldn't ever hide it, roses are my life. I want to retire to St. Croix but there is one obvious problem with THAT, lol...........I post reviews out of passion and so glad that they make "sense," and that the passion apparently comes through..........:-)
Reply #6 of 6 posted 14 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
So pleased you haven't given up, you are an inspiration to other growers who like you grow roses in challenging climates, very knowledgeable and generous with that knowledge. A true rosarian. I would happily cover my garden with asbestos from Chernobyl doused in DDT if I thought it would cure blackspot!
Reply #5 of 6 posted 19 APR 16 by LaurelZ
I just wanted to add although I am not an expert I tell people to spray because I lived in a very bad climate for roses San Francisco with the worse conditions, cold dripping fog. This is the reason I tell people to spray. I read a lot posts on garden web from people who get a leave with rust or black spot, they think the way to cure it is to remove that leaf. While its true the leaves won't be cured from the rust, if you spray the new leaves will come back free from rust. But, they don't spray or the spray with the wrong product or the wrong way, it took me years to year this by myself pre internet. I would have liked someone to tell me back then so I could have saved a lot of roses. I killed off roses like a revolving door. So, back to the issue. As they remove first one leaf and then another the plant soon as no more leaves. They then blame the plant itself when it won't grow well with no leaves. They then bash the rose for example, Peace is a terrible rose, it get rust and black spot. There are some thing not worth growing in a wet climate. I had given up on buying new roses, I was down to two roses, when I was able to move to a better climate I did move. It depends on how much you love roses and how much you are willing to care about them. Will you take the extra steps to grow better roses or not? If I tell someone to spray, it is only that I want to help and not that I am insulting them. Hydrangeas are just as bad as roses in terms of fungal on the leaves. Some people just don't want to spray and won't spray because they want to be organic. That is fine, just don't bash the rose. There was an episode of King of the Hill in which Peggy is part of an organic collective garden, but she can't stand all the bugs so she sneaks in a night and sprays the garden. If you don't want to spray, you have to live with what ever fungal and bugs you may be getting. Only you can make the choice. I have told people when they ask me I don't garden organically and as far as know you can be pest free organically. It is just a bitter fact of life. Even own roots roses nurseries spray for fungal. I once bought some plant from a real no spray organic nursery in Richmond CA called Annie's Annual. Each time they get fungal, they would compost the plant. As soon as I got the plants home with in a week they had died of fungal. Richmond is very dry compared to San Francisco. But, I was like I don't blame Annie's, I was just testing out the annuals. But with roses you don't want to be throwing them out just because they got some fungal.
most recent 30 JUN 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 29 JUN 16 by LaurelZ
Ok, I will bite, what happened to the strips?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 30 JUN 16 by Maurice REYBAUD
Mon Rosier donne des fleurs Striées ... mais aussi des fleurs Rouges ... ou Jaunes
( voir photo 233054 du 19 Juillet 2013 )
Etonnant !!!
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