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12 MAY 21 by
newtie
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Prosperity is a strong disease grower in my humid hot Mississippi garden. zone 8b.
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7 days ago by
 Mithrond
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Do you mean poor disease resistance as in growing disease or resistant. I’m in Northwest Florida so curious.
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It's interesting that some of the pictures of this rose show yellow shades and others, especially dee choi's photograph have pink tones instead. The plant I purchased from David Austin is pale lemon in bud during the summer opening white but in cooler autumn weather has a lovely soft yellow colour in the centres of the flowers. Definitely no pink anywhere, maybe warmer climates make a difference.
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12 MAY 21 by
newtie
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The rose sold to me as Prosperity has a pink tint to opening blossoms that then turn white. There is another Pemberton rose,Pax, now virtually lost from commerce in the United States, that has a light lemon tint to its beautiful buds. They open to a warm ivory white. It is a sprawler that sends out long canes, so I assume it could be grown as a climber. Its leaves are more elongated than Prosperity's and take on a grayish green tint as they mature. I am growing both Pemberton roses and both are outstanding in humid southeast Mississippi, 60 miles North of the Gulf of Mexico. To me, there is something very sophisticated about Pax. The buds are relatively small with a very classic high centered shape that remind me of Ophelia but a bit smaller. The foliage is also interesting. It's a shame this very fine rose is being lost from commerce.
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Have you considered whether ARE might be willing to reintroduce Pax? It sounds like a winner for the American south.
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15 JAN by
newtie
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I would encourage ARE to do that. I'll suggest it to them. It is too nice a garden rose not to be offered. My clone was custom rooted for me by Greenmantle Nursery in Ettersburg California. Another reason it should not be lost is because it can't be easily substituted for by other roses. It is a very sophisticated garden rose, not flashy, has understated beauty and quite healthy. Was named Pax to commemorate the end of WWI.
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14 APR 20 by
newtie
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A dreadful disaster in my gulf coadt zone 8b hot .humid. I have tried to kill mine for years but refuses to die . insists on putting out a naked stick with a bloom on the end once in a while. Do not plant in this climate. The Austin Rose, Gertrude Jekyll , is genetically related can't be told apart same everything including fragrance and vigorous here. Especially on fortuniana root stock.
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Exactly this in coastal 9A!
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Is anyone growing this rose successfully in a hot climate?
I am in Malta, zone 11 (coastal).
I am reading these reviews and thinking I made a mistake by getting Comte.
The ratings are not so great for heat tolerance, so I was thinking of putting him in bright shade, but the ratings also say he doesn't do well in shade either.
Is this just a rose for cold climates?
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I'll be honest, my current experience with Chrysler Imperial begs to me ask, "What's all the fuss about?" I purchased because it is said CI is an all-star in a hot climate, so ask me how she does here in Houston in August. But, so far, i'm unimpressed. It smells lovely, but the blooms blow open quickly. The coloring seems odd to me, like there's too much purple in it...like the petals are bruised a little bit. It's had some mildew issues already, but Tropicana is next to it and Tropicana is the mildew queen. I would trade in the fragrance for the color, shape, and vase performance of Olympiad any day.
August 2016 Update: I'm still not impressed with CI. Despite its reported heat tolerance, it didn't really impress this summer. It was just ok. The plant is fairly compact and grows in a narrow, straight-up fashion, so it looks a little out of place with its bed-mates to me. It looks like it's trying to grow to keep from touching any other plant. I haven't had any mildew issues since this spring, and have had zero blackspot problems.
January 2019 Update: CI has actually turned into a really great plant. I still think the blooms open to quickly, but after a couple of years in the ground she's really taken off. She also have lived up to her heat tolerance reputation trying to bloom in abundance in the peak of summer. Great "beginner" variety and great "old-school" rose.
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Agree with you on Chrysler Imperial .. saw that in a pot for $10 at local store, Sniffed it. Not impressed, fragrance can't compare to Mr. Lincoln. The rose park nearby has Chrysler Imperial for years .. every year I hope for a good scent, but disappointed in its mediocre scent. Mr. Lincoln rose was better-looking at the rose park, but wasn't hardy. For a good red rose, Firefighter is fragrant & last long in the vase ... really miss that own-root Firefighter after it died in a dry & cold zone 5a winter.
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24 JAN 19 by
davyjns
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I found this to have a strong rose scent very much on par with Mr. Lincoln. Funny how these things happen.
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8 JUL 19 by
BrianH
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My landlord grew this rose where I lived 20 years ago. This was a early 60s era tract house in the hot inland valley area of Los Angeles. This rose was an astonishing survivor, probably planted forty years before. It bloomed heavily once in the spring on the 10 inches of annual rainfall, then scattered bloom till November. The stems were short as the bush had been whacked to 4 feet with hedge shears for years. Every bud opened perfectly albeit quickly in the triple digit heat. The damask scent was as strong as Mister Lincoln. Dust had to be washed off the matte foliage when cut for the house. Of course there was little black spot pressure in that climate, but mildew and rust never seemed to appear. I've never seen a more neglected rose hang in there so well. I think these traits make it an excellent candidate for gardens in climates with very low humidity and withering hot summers. When I retire and return to California I intend to plant one and see what happens when it is really treated well.
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I believe Chrysler Imperial to have superior strength and type of fragrance over Mr. Lincoln. A much better plant too.
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11 APR 20 by
newtie
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Try it on a different root stock. For your climate i would suggest fortuniana root available from K&M Roses in Buccatuna Mississippi. I think you will like it once you get it on the right root stock for your area. Also, for Houston, plant it very high. Mound the soil up a good 12 inches higher than ground level.
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I grow Mr Lincoln and Chrysler Imperial side by side. Both are in (as of now) too small pots. Mr L. is more vigorous, but tends to concentrate more on single canes while C.I. is bushier and considerably lower. Mr. L also puts out more blooms. I can't seem to remember if C.I. blooms lasted longer or shorter. The scent is different, but gorgeous on both plants. I had planned to make a small "family border" with Mr Lincoln's ancestors and siblings like Oklahoma and Papa Meilland, but they are hard to get.
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