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RoseMorning Blush ™ (Alba, Sievers, 1974) most recent 13 JUN 17 SHOW ALL

Initial post 2 FEB 15 by Kacie

I got mine about 6 years ago at a shovel pruning sale. It is spectacular for about a month in the spring. The flowers are lovely and cover the bush. I plan to move it to a 6 foot fence, as it grows like a huge thorny octopus. I live in the Desert Southwest and have had no trouble with disease. Highly recommend it if you have a large space for it. (in warm climates) It is very thorny so am putting it on a perimeter fence,

Reply #1 of 3 posted 3 FEB 15 by HMF supporting member

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Reply #2 of 3 posted 13 JUN 17 by Puns 'n' Roses

In the description it says "almost thornless". You might want to check if you got the right plant.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 13 JUN 17 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

I got this rose this year from Home Depot. I am also enjoying a glorious first flush. These are some of the most beautiful and distinctive rose blooms I have ever seen. However, in my yard, zone 5a, cold and damp, the foliage looks wimpy. This might be, like some of the early Austins, a bush whose foliage is too scanty to support the amount of bloom. I am sure some fertilizing will be in order so soon as the first flush is over, and maybe some careful disbudding as well in future flushes.

What is this ? most recent 11 DEC 13 SHOW ALL

Initial post 16 APR 11 by tuscanrose

I found a rose that I was able to get a cutting from. It was growing in an old Texas cemetary. It has taken three years but this week it "bloomed". Now I am wondering if this is really a rose or something else. It has heavy thorns and thorns on the base of the leaves. The leaves have a heavy pine scent. Right now I am calling it "Fang" but I would love to hear some thoughts on its name and if it is even a rose.

Reply #1 of 13 posted 16 APR 11 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Reply #2 of 13 posted 16 APR 11 by HMF supporting member

Jay-Jay

Reply #4 of 13 posted 16 APR 11 by tuscanrose

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Reply #5 of 13 posted 16 APR 11 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

A Texas cemetery is an odd place for an UFO to land, but there's no accounting for tastes ... For those who don't know the triffid story; whatever it is, it isn't a rose, and I would be scared witless if I found one in my garden.	REPLY

Reply #6 of 13 posted 16 APR 11 by tuscanrose

Reply #7 of 13 posted 20 APR 11 by Kacie

Reply #8 of 13 posted 9 DEC 13 by Wasatch

This looks like a member of the Zanthoxylum genus, probably Zanthoxylum hirsutum or a close relative. :)	REPLY

Reply #9 of 13 posted 9 DEC 13 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

OK, not a triffid, but good for Scrabble; but not for anything else, at a rough guess!	REPLY

Reply #10 of 13 posted 9 DEC 13 by HMF supporting member

Jay-Jay

Good catch Wasatch! The plant is even more usefull Margareth: it seems to have a good scent and excellent to grow as a bonsai. In the Netherlands Zanthoxylum is called "Kiespijnboom"... Toothache-tree. As for ancient stories, native Americans chewed on the bark to cure toothache and other discomforts. I like the looks of some with thorns/prickles on the leaves.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 13 posted 9 DEC 13 by Wasatch

I too find them to be quite beautiful. The Zanthoxylum hirsutum is also highly attractive to wildlife, according to this blog: http://planobluestem.blogspot.com/2012/04/genus-zanthoxylum.html One of the commenters there says that these trees are either male or female. From the appearance of Tuscanrose's tree's flowers, I would guess that it is female, which means that it can produce the fruits that are very appealing to birds. :)

Reply #12 of 13 posted 10 DEC 13 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Seeds appealing to birds, and with vicious thorns... not something to grow where it has no natural predators.	REPLY

Reply #13 of 13 posted 11 DEC 13 by HMF supporting member

Jay-Jay

Hail the Triffids... They come!	REPLY

General / Miscellaneous most recent 21 APR 11 SHOW ALL

Initial post 30 MAR 10 by redwood rose

I planted Cl. Devoniensis and Cl. Cecile Brunner at the same time near the same old redwood tree eight yrs ago, and they are both climbing it. Even though Cl. Devoniensis only has one big basal cane, it has outclimbed Cecile by more than ten feet so far! A friend planted hers near a fig tree and it has totally swamped it - in a good way.........Oh, and today both roses started opening their gorgeous blooms, and it's not even April yet!

Reply #1 of 3 posted 20 APR 11 by Kacie

Be careful. When I moved to Tucson I planted a R. Fortuiana and a white Lady Banks under a mesquite tree. The last time I had had either of them I was living in a cool damp climate and silly me thought they would only grown into 4 or 5 foot high mounds. 4 years ago I had to cut them out of the tree which I thought they had killed. They had completely smothered the tree not allowing it to get any light. I ended up taking 5 pickup loads of rose to the local dump.

Watch out for the house eaters. Cecile Brunner can be one.

Kacie

Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 APR 11 by HMF supporting member

redwood rose

The two roses are in a 100 year old redwood tree. It is HUGE. I think it'll be fine...	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 21 APR 11 by Kacie

Good: I think it would be hard for CB to take over that one. My Devoniensis is only about 15 feet and quite mannerly so far. I would love to see them climb. I love the huge climbers. Am restarting a Belle of Portugal and Belle Blanche to put in a couple of my other mesquites. I really like them for climbing roses because they give a nice lightly filtered shade and are water miners (roots can go down over 90 feet) so don't bother the roses as much as other trees.

Kacie

*Other most recent 21 APR 11 SHOW ALL

Initial post 29 APR 09 by HMF supporting member

Cà Berta

I have a rose, got from a rooted cutting, that is clearly a Bengale and, trying to identify it, I was faced with the dilemma: Pompon de Paris (1839) or Rosa Rouletii (1922)? As far as I understood, these early miniature roses differ mostly in the “climbing” habit so I would lean to the “climber” Pompon! However, reading Catalogue descriptif methodique et raisonnè..…. 1829 I found at pag 185 a "725. BENGALE POMPON D’AUTOMNE, V. Rameaux fastigiés. Fleur petite, pleine ou multiple, carnée ou lilas pale. La première floraison est souvent imparfaite"
I was very impressed by this description as the most tricking characteristic of my rose is the .. fastigiated branch! As far as you know, is there a relationship among the 1829 rose and the other two? ... I wish to address my rose with its correct name!

Reply #1 of 7 posted 30 APR 09 by HMF supporting member

Cass

Hi.
I have a couple of bad photos of Pompon de Paris from la Roseraie de l'Haÿ. One shows the basal canes with their prickles. The other shows the very typical shape of the leaves. Because of size limits on HMF, I've put these up on my own site, so you can see them full size. First, the label and the basal canes:
http://rosefog.us/TemporaryImages/PomponDeParis.jpg

Next, the foliage:
http://rosefog.us/TemporaryImages/PomponDeParisClimbing.jpg

Hope this helps!

Reply #2 of 7 posted 30 APR 09 by HMF supporting member

Cà Berta

Thank you Cass,
your photos certainly support my first bet! Still they highlight the different characteristic of my rose that to me (very ignorant ) looked so peculiar: close and short branches bearing the flowers that make the main cane look like a flowered rod! I do not know if this depends on the fact that the plant is rather young (two years from cutting) and if later it will assume the Pompon de Paris’ facet that your photos depict.

Reply #3 of 7 posted 30 APR 09 by HMF supporting member

Cass

The gardeners at the Roserarie prune and train their roses very closely. I would not decide much about a plant's growth from that garden. Also, it your plant budded or grafted? Or is it on it's own roots? Everything at the Roseraie seems to be budded to a very vigorous rootstock.

I see that Pompon de Paris is available in Italy. I think you need to visit to make a comparison in person. As someone I know says, "Common things are common." When we are looking for identities, the more common roses are the first place to check.

Reply #4 of 7 posted 30 APR 09 by HMF supporting member

Cà Berta

I started the rose by rooting a cutting that I got somewhere (I do not remember where) and that I mislabeled (Rosa richardii). As you said , Pompon de Paris is sold in Italy and so it is a likely candidate; I will follow your suggestion and go to a nursery that sells it and has a lovely garden where they show their beauties!! Thank you	REPLY

Reply #5 of 7 posted 20 APR 11 by Kacie

It looks a lot like my Climbing Old Blush. You might want to check that out.	REPLY

Reply #6 of 7 posted 21 APR 11 by HMF supporting member

Cà Berta

Hello Kacie, thank you for your suggestion. I have been checking the rose for a long time now and I reached the conclusion (never definitive ...) that it is Pompon de Paris. The flowers and also the leaflets are tiny and it has the general feature of a miniature rose although its branches may be 1,5 - 2 m long.	REPLY

Reply #7 of 7 posted 21 APR 11 by Kacie

That does sound more like PPdeP. I had it for quite a while and the small leaves are pretty typical. Unfortunately it was on the inside of the chain link fence and the dogs finally got the best of it because they love to run up and down the fence and finally compacted the soil too much.

I have Rouletti as well and have always thought that PPdeP might be a climbing version. My flowers were a little bigger but very much like it.

Where I live (Tucson Arizona) the China's, Teas, and Noisettes do wonderfully.

Kacie