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most recent 18 DEC 18 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 14 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
In September 2015 I sowed seeds of this rose collected from plants growing on the South Downs in Sussex in the South East of the U.K. I chilled them for three months then started them off with some gentle bottom heat, but nothing grew. I kept them moist throughout the summer and bought them inside and gave them a little heat about a fortnight ago. Now they are germinating like mustard and cress! I only want a couple of plants for my garden so if other members would like plants too by the autumn of this year they should have made plants large enough for planting out, contact me, you are very welcome to them.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 17 DEC 18 by AlanaSC
Do you have any left Andrew?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 18 DEC 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Hello Alana,

Yes I do have a few small plants left. But it is illegal for me to send plants to the United States. If I can get seeds again I think I can send you some, However in some parts of the world this rose is an aggressively invasive alien pest so please check that in your region it is not a problem. Sorry to be a bit of a dissapointment.

Regards, Andrew.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 18 DEC 18 by AlanaSC
I'm sorry . I didn't realize you were not in the US. Thank you though!
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most recent 21 OCT 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 OCT 17 by AlanaSC
Does anyone know the size of this rose?
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most recent 29 AUG 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 2 DEC 15 by Inde
Is anyone growing this rose in warm climates? I wish to grow it in Delhi( India). Our climate would be similar to zone 10 b of the US. The winter low is 2°C.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 3 DEC 15 by styrax
You might be able to if it's not too humid during the summer season.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 3 DEC 15 by Inde
We actually do have low humidity most of the year. Except during peak winter when it rains and moisture goes up for 2 or 3 weeks.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 3 DEC 15 by Margaret Furness
It is a survivor rose growing on its own roots in South Australia, in areas that are about zone 9b. It will sucker, so you might prefer a budded plant.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 3 DEC 15 by Inde
Thankyou for your response. I wouldn't mind if it suckers. It's in a pot for now. Once it's strong I plan to plant it in a location where it's suckers will not be an issue. As long as it flowers as gloriously, as it is reputed to.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 28 AUG 17 by AlanaSC
I was wondering, could Humidity or the heat be my problem with this rose dieing back every summer? I really love this rose, one of my absolute favorites, I even give it extra water , where as with other's I don't have too, but it still dies back. Is there anything I can do to help it handle it better?
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 28 AUG 17 by Give me caffeine
When you saying dying back in summer, do you mean the canes themselves turn to dead wood, or just that it drops leaves?
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 28 AUG 17 by AlanaSC
The canes brown and die. It will usually send up new canes in the fall. It just started this last year, if I am remembering correctly. I've had it five years now I think. Our weather has been hotter than usual the past two summers, with less summer rain it seems to me than previous years..but last year it was hotter than this year and it died back more this year than last year. So confusing, do you think I should dig it up and inspect roots? Where it's at it drains well, I know the water doesn't take long to drain, so I'm not sure what else the problem is or what to do.. Autumn Damask, used to die back too, before I started giving it more what during the summer , and is the biggest now than it's been since I've had it. I also have Ispahan and it's huge and beautiful..
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 28 AUG 17 by Give me caffeine
Can't really tell from here, but if you have fast drainage, and more water fixed Autumn Damask, and Kazanlik sends up new canes in autumn, then at a guess it sounds very much as if Kazanlik is simply being dehydrated during summer.

A quick check on a few roots is probably a good idea, but if they aren't rotting I'd just try watering the crap out of it in summer and see what happens. You should be able to tell fairly quickly if that will help or not.

By the way - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazanlak#Climate - might be useful.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 29 AUG 17 by AlanaSC
Thanks so much for the link, I'll check the roots tomorrow.

Well I checked the roots and they looked fine and seemed strong, had lots of earth worms..so I watered deeply and mulched it with some composted chicken manure from my chickens, and am gonna hope for some new growth soon, and let ya'll know when I see some.
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most recent 21 SEP 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 OCT 13 by Jay-Jay
Most of the photographed roses look, as if they have too many petals!
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Reply #1 of 17 posted 18 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Jay-Jay what does yours look like? Do you have a picture you can share? I wish this rose was available here!
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Reply #2 of 17 posted 18 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Hi Alana,
I should have specified myself:
I saw the rose at Aurelija's place (she made pictures) and I liked it.
I went to HMF for the description and all the other assets.
In the description for Tour de Malakoff on HMF is on the one hand written it is a Centifolia (hundred flower-petals) and on the other hand, the description states it is double: 17-25 petals.
But most of the photo's show flowers with many more petals. ("really 100 petals")
That's why I wrote my comment, but until now no-one reacted to it.
And Alas, I still do not have this rose, but may get some budwood from Aurelija, if I asked for it.
On the photo of Jeffcat http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.163293 the flower seems to have the right amount of petals fitting the description.
Maybe a real connoisseur might shine his or her light on this matter?

PS: I really like those very double roses pictured on HMF... even better than the "maybe original-one".
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Reply #3 of 17 posted 18 MAR 16 by Patricia Routley
Obviously 17-25 petals was wrong. We've increased it to the maximum we have, which is 41+. Perhaps one day an old reference with the number of petals may yet turn up. Thanks to you both.
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Reply #4 of 17 posted 19 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Thanks Jay-Jay. I'm sorry to hear you no longer have this rose. Hopefully you can get her again. It's funny how you sometimes prefer the fake to the original huh?
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Reply #5 of 17 posted 19 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Please read the comment of Patricia and the older references.
Then may come clear, that the many-petaled ones are supposedly the right ones.
And those I like better.
In Charles Quest Ritsons' Encyclopedia (2003) of roses the photo is of the many petaled rose de-pictured on HMF. He calls it a China-Hybrid. Zone 5. Prone to mildew and Blackspot.
Mr. Ritson states, that it is one of those crosses between a Chinese and an old European Rose. (translated from the Dutch Version)
For more info see the English version.
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Reply #6 of 17 posted 19 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Ohh ok, that went right over my head! BTW I emailed Hortico, which is listed as selling this rose and they said they no longer have it, so they may need to be removed as a place selling this rose! Thanks Patricia and Jay-Jay.
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Reply #7 of 17 posted 21 MAR 16 by Aurelija D.
I don't remember exactly how many petals mine had, I think it was quite some and rather thin ones. In my garden it is not prone to anything, but I usually do not have very bad bs and mildew attacks. It is a bit sprawly and needs some support, at least so far. Mine still is not big, hopefully it remembers to show some growth this season, it is in its 4th or 5th year (with one replanting), so my patience slowly is running out with him. ;)
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Reply #8 of 17 posted 22 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
I can understand that your patience has run out after that long! Thank you so much for sharing that with me. Do you think the one replanting may have set him back? Maybe this will be his year for you. I hope so!
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Reply #9 of 17 posted 24 MAR 16 by Aurelija D.
It is probably not that much because of the replanting, but for some reason (contrary to what often is said) I never found old garden roses easy to grow. Most of the old garden roses I have tried to grow (30-40 different ones) do not do well on my rich heavy farmland clay, or at least they do quite worse than modern hybrid teas or shrubs or even old good wichuranas/musks as an example. My theory about that, mostly based on the experience with the other plants, is that the closer plant is to the species, the more likely it is to have a difficulty to adapt to the different soil/growing conditions (acid ground plants are the worst offenders there). Around the same time I had some same old roses planted in my old z5 foresty soil garden and here - despite the freezes and all, those in z5 are doing better. Also some of mine moved to Jays garden on more light soil and there they do much better than they ever did here on the clay.
So all in all, even though here Tour is struggling, it might do much better if the soil was more light and old rose friendly.
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Reply #10 of 17 posted 25 MAR 16 by Raynyk
This is also what I've heard from my local rose guru, species and hybrids close to them do best in lighter soils, contrary of "common knowledge" that heavy soils are always best for roses.
Hardiness is one of the main issues in northern scandinavia and heavy clay soils makes the roses more prone to freeze back, maybe because heavy clay and lots of nutrients lengthens the growing season to far into autumn.
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Reply #11 of 17 posted 25 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
I'm not sure if we have the same type of clay but I have hard red clay. I planted my OGR in it ( after a rain had softened it up)and amended the hole some in most and not at all in a few but mine have been doing great. I think it may take them a while longer to spread but other than that they have done great. With two exceptions. So I wonder what difference is?
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Reply #12 of 17 posted 28 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Alana, I was mistaken... I already have this rose and made some photo's today:
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Reply #13 of 17 posted 28 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Hey Jay-Jay are you budding it? It's looking good! I haven't tried doing that yet...I do have plants to bud onto now thanks to a rose friend. I'll ahve to root so more and play around with it :)
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Reply #14 of 17 posted 28 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
It's not that difficult, when done at the right time!
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Reply #15 of 17 posted 21 SEP 16 by AlanaSC
Hi Jay-jay I am finally receiving this rose this fall from palatine! I hope it does well and breaks dormancy in spring. Wish me luck :) I hope yours is doing well.
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Reply #16 of 17 posted 21 SEP 16 by Jay-Jay
Good luck with the Tour de Malakoff. I'll look forward towards photo's.
I'll attach some photo's of the bud-graft.
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Reply #17 of 17 posted 21 SEP 16 by AlanaSC
Hey Tour is looking good! I know you can't wait for a bloom :) I'll post pics of mine when I get it and in Spring...and hope I get a bloom!
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