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most recent 13 days ago SHOW ALL
Initial post 5 APR 11 by Ophelia Payne
Kinda disappointed. Great color .NO FRAGRANCE
Reply #1 of 3 posted 23 APR 13 by timdufelmeier
Extremely fragrant in Los Angeles.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 13 days ago by mamabotanica
How big does it get? I know that sometimes the description isn't accurate for So Cal and this one doesn't have any width info listed. I've got two on order but no clear idea how big it's going to get (oops). Those flowers though! I just had to have it :)
Reply #3 of 3 posted 13 days ago by timdufelmeier
Mine is like a medium sized HT
About 4' by 3.5 "
most recent 11 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 3 JUL by mamabotanica
You have most of my favorites! I've sent a couple emails to see if I could get an extra Dijon rose (I ordered two already) but haven't heard back. What's the process to order roses? are they mostly bare root and ship in winter or potted? Budded or own root?
I'm super excited you are offering plants!
Reply #1 of 7 posted 3 JUL by Nastarana
Do they sell plants or stems for florists?

If it is the latter, do they need to be listed on HMF?
Reply #2 of 7 posted 3 JUL by mamabotanica
They've sold stems in the past but now are branching out into selling plants (according to a recent newsletter).
Reply #3 of 7 posted 5 JUL by Nastarana
I saw no indication of plants being offered on their website. Maybe retail only for now?
Reply #4 of 7 posted 10 JUL by GraceRoseFarm
Hi, we will be launching our bare root online shop in August. Thank you for your interest!
Reply #5 of 7 posted 10 JUL by GraceRoseFarm
Hi, I'll put you down for Honey Dijon. We were sold out, but I'll have two for you. We will have an online shop live in August. Roses will ship in the winter barefoot. All the roses we grow are budded on Multiflora. Any we purchase from Weeks/DA are on whatever stock they use. Thank you!
Reply #6 of 7 posted 11 JUL by Nastarana
Thank you. That is good news indeed. Will you be offering any albas?
Reply #7 of 7 posted 11 JUL by mamabotanica
Thanks! I have two already ordered and paid for two from your first round. Was hoping to plant three in a spot but I can make 2 work. Looking forward to the others that you offer as they come up!
Thanks, joan
most recent 3 JUL SHOW ALL
Reply #1 of 9 posted 22 DEC by Elizabethspetals
I’m in So CA, just north of San Diego. My Princess Charlene de Monaco does just fine here as long as I give it plenty of water. The blooms do fade in the sun, but I cut mine for indoors most often, so that’s not an issue for me. I’ll warn you though, this rose shot up to 12 feet tall in 10 months. I bent most of her canes and attached them to trellises on either sides of the bush. This produced nice long, straight, laterals, each with a perfect bloom at the end. This rose is an arrangers dream! Nice long, straight, strong stems and beautiful blooms that last. The scent is unique and one of my favorites. I like it so much, I’m considering purchasing a second one!
Reply #2 of 9 posted 25 DEC by mamabotanica
That is incredibly helpful to know! Good thing I now won't plant it in a spot for a 3.5 ft tall rose. Wonder if it would do ok twining around an obelisk?
Reply #3 of 9 posted 31 JAN by Elizabethspetals
Maybe, if you start early enough.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 10 MAR by Lavenderlace
Lisa, have you heard of this extreme height anywhere else or is she just particularly happy with your soil and conditions? I have some coming and can't figure out where to put them! Better for full sun or can she take some shade? Is she picky about the soil? Thanks!
Reply #5 of 9 posted 10 MAR by Elizabethspetals
Hi lav! I’ve heard reports of over 7F tall in zone 7. Others have just said “mine is super tall, too!” If you don’t get any winter dieback, then I would think she’d get tall. She’s pretty narrow, though. My soil is alkaline clay, but my PCDM’s are grafted on Dr. Huey. I’d like to try one ownroot, and see if that might shorten her a bit. I do love her! You can’t find a better rose for cutting, IMO. Lisa
Reply #6 of 9 posted 10 MAR by Elizabethspetals
Oh, and mine are in full sun, so I’m not sure about shade tolerance.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 11 MAR by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much Lisa! It is your gorgeous bouquets that inspired me to get them!
Reply #8 of 9 posted 2 JUL by Lavenderlace
Update: After growing four own-roots, I would agree completely with elizabethpetals! Very vigorous rose blooming here in 108 heat index. The only complaint would also be the fading but will cut early and put in the vase, where they are very long-lasting. Thanks Lisa!
Reply #9 of 9 posted 3 JUL by Elizabethspetals
You’re welcome, Lav! I’m so glad you’re happy with them. They do fade in the sun, but I usually snap them up so quickly for indoors that I’ve nearly forgotten about that flaw. PCDM really is a wonderful cutting rose, isn’t she? With that fragrance, she’s near perfect, IMO, for bouquets.
Reply #10 of 9 posted 3 JUL by Lavenderlace
I'm going to do the same thing so I'm thrilled! Mine are still in the pot though because I haven't determined where to plant in case they want to be huge here also. But they are certainly vigorous!
most recent 6 JUN SHOW ALL
Initial post 21 SEP 17 by mamabotanica
Any advice for a zone 10 gardener? I have two one year old budded Wollerton bushes in the front and they are sending out long octopus arms. I wonder if I used a 7 ft trellis or obelisk if they would quickly overwhelm it or if it makes sense to tame them with something structural? Do I need one per rose or could I combine both of them on one structure? Or am I foolish in expecting that anything will tame a rose that wants to grow long tall canes that flop over neighboring plants?
Reply #1 of 8 posted 21 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
If you pegged these long shoots down would they flower all the way along their length?
Reply #2 of 8 posted 21 SEP 17 by mamabotanica
That would be lovely! Hoping someone with experience will weigh in
Reply #3 of 8 posted 21 SEP 17 by Margaret Furness
Pegging down doesn't work well in my zone 9b climate (South Australia) unless you mulch very heavily underneath, because the grass/weeds keep growing all winter. We generally go for the espalier / training on a trellis option. I haven't tried an obelisk so can't comment on that.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 6 JUN by Lavenderlace
How did it work out for you Mamabotanica? I'm thinking of using this rose as a climber in my climate also. Mine are too young to have much in the thorn department, but I noticed that Heirloom described WOF as nearly thorn-free. Can anybody confirm this? Thanks!
Reply #5 of 8 posted 6 JUN by mamabotanica
Hi, the mow and blow guys took it upon themselves to prune one of the roses so I'm waiting for that to grow back to train it on an obelisk. The other was my first attempt to attach a rose to a support and it didn't fare well (bent my two main canes and snapped another one off :(. The new growth on the rose is looking green and beautiful. I think it will work and I'm glad it seems to have forgiven me my learning curve.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 6 JUN by Lavenderlace
Thanks for the update, sounds like it will be beautiful! Did you happen to notice what the thorns were like?
Reply #7 of 8 posted 6 JUN by Patricia Routley
Have a look at the Patent Lavenderlace. There is a small paragraph near the end on the thorns.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 6 JUN by Lavenderlace
Thanks Patricia, that was incredibly helpful! I've never looked at the patents before but there is so much info on them! For anybody following this thread, the answer is that WOH is indeed low on thorns.
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