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Andi Stix
most recent 28 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 FEB by Andi Stix
Thank you for the background on Belle Siebrecht. I'm giving a lecture on Sunday on Henry Siebrecht's Rose Hill Nurseries, and I will share your findings. I will use the following quotes from your reference:

1. Rosen-Zeitung, 1895, which references the purchase of S&W's rights to the rose in 1982
2. Transactions of the Massachusetts Horticultural Society, 1893, of receiving an award for the rose
3. The Gardeners' Chronicle, 1895, expressing British outrage on the name change.

I'm trying to understand the 1895 Wiener Illustrirte Garten-Zeitung article about the 'Belle Siebrecht' rose. The quote mentions it as 'a novelty of first rank, which is not a chance seedling, but the crossing of the two...' but doesn't specify the parents. I've found conflicting information suggesting 'Belle Siebrecht' might just be a renamed variety, not a hybrid. Can you help clarify whether it was a cross-bred rose or simply a name change?

Thank you for your assistance.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 28 FEB by jedmar
I have added the full text of the article from Wiener Illustrirte Garten-Zeitung of 1895 plus its english translation. It is common understanding that 'Belle Siebrecht' is a renamed variety.
There are other known cases where the whole production was bought by a nursery and commercialized under a different name. Not unusual in the 19th century and even sometimes today.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 28 FEB by Andi Stix
Thank you for the white-lightening response.
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most recent 27 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 FEB by Andi Stix
Hi, I emailed the New York Times article as a response to your email to me. It states that Siebrecht showcased the Belle Siebrecht rose and won awards for it in the United States. Have you made any further investigation? I doubt that someone would receive awards and name a flower after his child who did not cultivate the rose himself. I look forward to hearing from you.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 FEB by jedmar
Please read the references to 'Belle Siebrecht'. You will find the whole story there.
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most recent 25 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 FEB by Andi Stix
I've noticed that the Climbing Bell Siebrecht is listed with the discovery by William Paul. However, a New York Times article debuted the flower by Henry Siebrecht of Rose Hill Nurseries in New Rochelle, New York in 1895. The flower is named after his daughter, Isabelle Siebrecht. For over 25 years, I lived on the Siebrecht property. I have a copy of the article.
Please feel free to reach out to me.
Andi Stix
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 FEB by jedmar
Please see the note to the rose 'Belle Siebrecht' and the references. The rose was bred by Alexander Dickson in 1892 as 'Mrs. W. J. Grant', but introduced in USA in 1895 as 'Belle Siebrecht' by Siebrecht & Wadley / Rose Hill Nurseries. The climbing sport of 'Belle Siebrecht' was discovered years later in 1899 by William Paul's nursery.
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