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Kim Rupert
most recent 26 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 MAY 20 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
What a pleasure to have this one. It has beautiful disease-free glossy foliage, holds well to the plant and never defoliates in hot weather. Not at all bothered by rain or bad weather. Buds stay full for an extended period of time. They don’t shatter for 5 days, so the bush can end up filled with half open and fully open blooms at the same time. It has a nice form and naturally spreads out yet with stiff, fat canes, so as to not overcrowd or cross branches. Stays relatively stout, never achieving over 4’ tall here, and they tend to grow extra large in Hawaii.

Wonderfully abundant in flowers, it surprises every year as it will spit out random flowers every blooming month for me, which is just about every month except January. Fragrance is a combination of damask, raspberry, and a hint of cinnamon, which is apropos for this particular color, imho.

I would highly recommend this for the novice gardener and the pro alike, especially if you’re like me and do not spray. Just keep it fed, and it will supply abundant fragrant richly red, well formed and well-fragranced blossoms throughout the growing seasons. There is absolutely nothing bad I could say about this 5 Star Winner! ...except that it’s a must-have if you love red and love easy!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 31 AUG by anonymous_member
Thank you for your review on the Sweet Spirit. I am in 9b and just had a very humid and blazing hot Summer. Most of my roses didn't perform as well as they did. I am in search for some really heat tolerant roses whose color and fragrance don't fade in hot temperature and are relatively healthy and easy to care for. Based on your review, Sweet Spirit sounds like a good candidate, and I will get one this coming Fall.
Since you are located in 11b, do you have some recommendations of nice heat tolerant roses similar to Sweet Spirit? Thank you in advance for your opinion.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 7 FEB by kgs
I have to say all the reports about Sweet Spirit being disease-free surprise me, because last year (my first with this plant) it had really bad rust--in a garden of close to 30 bushes where other roses either had no rust or in one or two cases had a tiny amount I was able to eradicate by removing leaves. (I had never seen rust in my garden before, and I wonder if Sweet Spirit became a vector.) I am giving it a second chance because I was not good about any preventative treatment the previous winter and spring (cleaning up leaves, dormant spray, copper spray, etc.). But this year I'm back to good habits, and I'm giving this bush extra attention. If Sweet Spirit turns into a rust bucket again, out it goes. It stayed small and my guess is the extent of disease played a role in that. I'm not disbelieving the folks who have had good luck with this rose--no two plants are ever identical, and who knows what mutations might be at work. It definitely is Sweet Spirit and the handful of blooms it produced once the rust went away were lovely.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 26 JUL by Kim Rupert
Try increasing the water to the plant. It is often VERY easy to induce roses to mildew and rust by water stressing them.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 26 JUL by Kathy Strong
most recent 9 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 28 MAY 10 by Kim Rupert
Paul, isn't this Kim Rupert? 44 Stripe isn't mossed. This photo is. Kim
Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 JUL by Paul Barden
Burling shared 44 Stripe with me, and it’s definitely mossed. Carolyn sent me a plant many years ago as well, and it was also a moss, so…?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 JUL by Kim Rupert
Thank you. I defer to your experience.
most recent 4 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 JUL by Kim Rupert
Thank you, Paul, for adding these newer photos!
Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 JUL by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Reminds me of those poly china minis that were common at one time.
most recent 25 JUN SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 DEC 19 by Patricia Routley
How many petals? Is the bloom single, semi, or double?
Reply #1 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Kim Rupert
Five petals, white.
Reply #2 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Kim. Have you compared it with the single white R. Multiflora?
Reply #3 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Kim Rupert
You're welcome, Patricia. No worries, it is NOT multiflora. Paul Barden currently grows the largest plant of it in existence. If it was something easily identified as something else, certainly Paul would have made that identification.
Reply #4 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Patricia Routley
OK, thank you, i took my iPad down to my R. multiflora this morning as the cane photo looks so familiar to me. Perhaps some bloom photos etc might be good in the future.
Reply #5 of 13 posted 5 DEC 19 by Kim Rupert
Paul sent me two plants of it last year. I sent one to a friend in Tennessee who was to open a nursery and the other to Jonathan Windham at Clemson University to get established there in his species rose collection. I don't have any photos of it. My goal was to get it "out there" to preserve it. Unfortunately there isn't room in my yard for it.
Reply #6 of 13 posted 13 DEC 19 by Jonathan Windham
I'm glad to see this rose get its own listing.

I'm fairly certain the plant is a hybrid with multiflora, due to the fringed stipules. I also believe this because the plant displays tremendous vigor (hybrid-vigor), putting on several feet of new growth in a few months. It also roots extremely easy. This plant could definitely become a problem in some areas.

Here is a photo of leaves from R. multiflora (white flower) and R. multiflora adenochaeta (pink flowers) to compare to:
Reply #13 of 13 posted 25 JUN by Paul Barden
I too have come to believe this is actually a multiflora hybrid. There are many R. multiflora traits this rose displays: the fringed stipules, thorns, growth pattern, and notably - the fragrance, which is very VERY similar to R. multiflora. If I had encountered this plant somewhere, and not known its putative identity, I would almost certainly have ID'd it as a R. multiflora hybrid or variant.
I suspect this is a hybrid with some modern remontant (China derivative), which would explain why it is capable of generating a high percentage of repeat blooming seedlings.
MORsoul is a cross of Anytime X "Moore's soulieana" and looks for all the world like a modern Polyantha - the type you'd get from a multiflora hybrid.
Reply #7 of 13 posted 13 DEC 19 by Michael Garhart
In species hybrids where the hybrid looks near identical to the species, traits that I have found that are altered by hybridity tend to be hard to catch. Among those are petal and foliage substance (usually thicker) and internode spacing.

In the photos, there is a loss of blue tone. The internode spacing looks similar in the photos I could clearly see such a thing. The foliage looks slightly larger in the Moore selection.

Ploidy would be helpful.

I assume the source of the selection and year found or created is unknown.
Reply #8 of 13 posted 4 JUN by Paul Barden
Whatever Ralph's "soulienana" is, its definitely NOT R. multiflora. I wish I knew how Ralph obtained this. Given the fact that it frequently produces remontant seedlings when crossed with modern remontants makes me think its a hybrid.
Reply #9 of 13 posted 6 JUN by Michael Garhart
I'd like to think its Rosa soulieana x Florodora for the sake of cosmic humor.
Reply #10 of 13 posted 6 JUN by Kim Rupert
It's certainly something, given enough more time than he enjoyed, he probably would have come up with. Perhaps someone who grows both should investigate... Paul?
Reply #11 of 13 posted 6 JUN by Paul Barden
I'm pretty sure I no longer have Floradora here. It succumbed to disease when I stopped using fungicides in 2010.
Reply #12 of 13 posted 8 JUN by Michael Garhart
There are about 20 of them in Portland in that weird park separated by neighborhoods. Not that it's worth the time and effort.
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