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'Madame Melon du Thé' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 89-398
most recent 8 APR 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 21 NOV 15 by CybeRose
Everblooming Roses for the Out-door Garden of the Amateur p. 57 (1912)
Georgia Torrey Drennan
The years that have passed since these "Fairy" roses came to us from across the seas have wrought many changes. Hybridised with the Teas, the roses are of larger sizes, more luxuriant growth and more brilliant colours. Not that we love the Polyantha simplex less, but the Polyantha Teas more. These were obtained by crossing the Tea rose Madam Damaizin with Migonette, the most profuse of the dwarf roses. The result was Clotilde Soupert, known over the world as the hardiest everblooming rose of Tea kindred, except Gloire de Dijon. The rosy ivory-white, pinkish salmon tints of these roses, of such different classes, are much the same, rivalling the most exquisite picture Nature ever painted by a ray of light in a drop of water—the rainbow in the heavens. Clotilde Soupert is distinctly many petaled, true to its Polyantha parentage. The petals are lovely little shells, closely compacted together, forming an indescribably beautiful rose.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 7 APR 19 by CCCOLLO
Lovely description. I just got her last year and am anxiously awaiting how she does this season. Right now she is producing buds!
Reply #2 of 4 posted 7 APR 19 by Margaret Furness
The sales pitch forgot to say that the flowers look like little Bourbons; and like a Bourbon, it balls.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 7 APR 19 by Patricia Routley
But when the weather is right, the blooms are breathtakingly beautiful. It sings....”I am old and precious”.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 8 APR 19 by CybeRose
Very well sung!
Discussion id : 109-907
most recent 10 APR 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 APR 18 by Peter Miller
My hands and wrists would argue about the "thornless or nearly thornless" aspect of this rose.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 10 APR 18 by Patricia Routley
I wouldn't argue with it. I have just had a look at my potted plant, and while it does have some thorns, I would agree with the description of "thornless or nearly thornless". Unfortunately HelpMeFind has a limited selection of just two selections: "armed with thorns" and "thornless or nearly thornless" (for which I am a little grateful for actually - imagine trying to choose an accurate description when even some plants can't make up their own mind.) Member Kona, 3 February 2012 also mentioned "very few thorns" in her comment. Well-fitting gardening gloves really do make any thorns on roses almost unnoticeable.

Just a thought - Peter, is your prickly plant your foundling from Corinth or Athens? - and are they the same?
Discussion id : 101-921
most recent 3 JUL 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 3 JUL 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
As own-root, this rose doesn't like sticky & heavy clay and did better in fluffy & loose potting soil.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 JUL 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Maybe a rose with multiflora ancestry didn't like your high PH soil as well.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 JUL 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Andrew: with Clotilde Soupert, it has hairy & thin roots which are more suitable for LIGHT & LOAMY soil. My friend rooted that easily in ALKALINE sand, and gave to me. I lower my soil pH, by mixing in pine bark (pH 4), plus tons of acidic rain (pH 4.6 in Chicagoland). But OWN-ROOT Clotilde Soupert doesn't like sticky & heavy clay, regardless of the pH level. When I grew that in a pot, I added sand to make it DRIER & FLUFFIER, and it did well & zero balling in that loamy & fast-draining medium.

In contrast, THICK & CHUNKY own-roots like French Meilland & Romantica do better in my heavy & sticky clay, than in fluffy-potting soil. From my experience of growing over 100+ varieties of own-root roses: light & fluffy & hairy roots prefer lighter & fluffy soil, and heavy & thick & chunky roots prefer denser & heavy clay.
Discussion id : 83-419
most recent 7 MAR 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 26 FEB 15 by flodur
This Lady loves her real name and that is Clothilde Soupert, please be polite!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 26 FEB 15 by Margaret Furness
The references vary a lot but the oldest do allow her the h.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 27 FEB 15 by Patricia Routley
We've added 'Clothilde Soupert' as a synonym.
(Cross a border, and they add - or subtract- another letter.)
Reply #3 of 4 posted 27 FEB 15 by flodur
Whatever the "Registration name" means, the breeder called it 'Clothilde Soupert' - at that time all Clothildes in Luxembourg or France had a h! For me, a misspelling is not a synonym! But some people like to create new rose names.....
Reply #4 of 4 posted 7 MAR 15 by HMF Admin
HMF has many instances of roses names that are not "correct" but over time have, often unfortunately, become common usage. HMF includes these various names to act as a cross reference and hopefully avoid the misconception of them being different roses.
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