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'Sombreuil' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 120-139
most recent 7 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 FEB by Emily White
Has anyone grown Sombreuil in Zone 5b? Can it survive/thrive in the cold?
Thank you in advance!
Discussion id : 93-372
most recent 21 MAY 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 13 JUN 16 by johnm99
I would strongly disagree with the description of the fragrance as moderate - I would rate it 9/10 in strength - amongst my most fragrant roses. Extremely satisfying rose to grow - easy to wind around pillars of a trellis - very vigorous, unusually healthy for a rose of its age. Gives me great pleasure.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 21 MAY 18 by Kittychi101
I agree. Mine is one of the stronger fragrances in my garden.
Discussion id : 18-243
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Initial post 24 APR 07 by Unregistered Guest
Will Climbing Sombreuil do well in a container?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 21 MAY 18 by Kittychi101
My mother-in-law grew hers with great success in a container for years.
Discussion id : 98-612
most recent 6 JUN 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 19 APR 17 by Daniel Alm
Seeing as to how the true identity of the rose long sold as Sombrieul is in question, and the records of Wyant are also undependable, I don't feel it is appropriate to list the parentage as New Dawn X Mme Hardy. Official parentage should be changed back to unknown until genetic testing provides further answers. ~Benaminh
Reply #1 of 7 posted 21 APR 17 by Nastarana
Particularly in view of the fact that 'Mme. Hardy' is sterile.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 21 APR 17 by jedmar
I agree, Wyant's statements in this respect can be doubted. Personally, I also find the ARS "decision" to name this rose 'Sombreuil' unfortunate. 'Colonial White' clearly has nothing to do with the real 'Sombreuil' by Robert. Keeping the name can only be explained by commercial interests.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 1 JUN 17 by Jay-Jay
This rose has almost the same scent as New Dawn. In my opinion a (for me a bit repulsive) "synthetic" apple fragrance, like the perfume used in the so-called air-fresheners used on toilets.
I thought/believed Sombreuil was an old rose...
Better said Sombreuls were/are old roses.
So we've got the wrong rose in our garden.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 3 JUN 17 by jedmar
'Colonial White' was sold for many years as 'Sombreuil', Robert's Tea, and is still being sold. Difficult to understand today how anybody could see a Tea in this climber.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 6 JUN 17 by billy teabag
My nose agrees with yours Jay-Jay.
And both 'New Dawn' and 'Colonial White' / "the rose sold as Sombreuil" have very similar robust growth that is impressively armed. I have cut long canes of fresh growth from each variety and was not able to tell the difference.
It would be very interesting to see whether expert DNA comparison can tell us how closely related they are.
If the ARS was prepared to revisit this decision and allocate the name 'Colonial White' to this rose, rather than Sombreuil, much of the current confusion could be dispensed with.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 6 JUN 17 by Jay-Jay
A DNA comparison would do the trick, but who would bother to do so, that has access to such resources?
Maybe a student at an agricultural university doing some "obscure" research?

Other New Dawn descendants like Aloha (Boerner) and Compassion inherited this "New Dawn-scent" that appears over here in warmer periods.
Of both roses, the fragrance is during lower temps, or in Fall, more balanced, sweeter, richer:
A bit of old rose, damask, citrus and sometimes a bit of bitter almond.
Compassion may have inherited the extra scent from Crimson Glory.
In the ancestry of New Dawn, there are more strong scented roses.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 6 JUN 17 by billy teabag
Dr Malcolm Manners has managed to facilitate this sort of research in the past, and perhaps he can again.
They have done some very useful work such as that by Nancy Morvillo et al
where it was established that the rose often sold and seen under the name 'Bloomfield Abundance' was 'Spray Cecile Brunner', the sport of 'Mlle Cecile Brunner'.

Perhaps we should make a wish list of burning questions that might be answered by DNA analysis and hope that some educational institution might be able to help, or that a generous patron might be interested in sponsoring this sort of research.
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