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'Fragrant Cloud' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 64-760
most recent 25 JUL SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 1 JUN 12 by goncmg
For years the topic of "dedteriorated/-ating" cultivars has been discussed. Deterioration through overbudding/poor budding practices, virused plant material, and so on (and I believe it is generally accepted Peace simply HAS deteriorated at this point)....does anyone else find Fragrant Cloud much less robust and healthy now than it was years ago? Having a tough time getting a solid plant. Tried mail order, not robust. Tried the garden center here and the plant is barely making it along. Several years ago I had a really nice, healthy first year plant that ended up with both mosiac and witch's broom (the later is not a virus I realize)....just wondering if anyone else has experienced what might be a deterioration with Fragrant Cloud...
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Reply #1 of 13 posted 3 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
In the Rosarium of Winschoten NL, the bed with Fragrant Cloud looked ugly and de plants almost defoliated by blackspot and just a few of the appr. 50 or more plants stayed more or less alive till winter. They were pruneshoveled and replaced by a better performing variety,
On the photo You can see the roseplants stayed tiny before getting diseased.
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Reply #3 of 13 posted 4 JUN 12 by goncmg
Great yet sad picture..........this is exactly what my last few have looked like, very tiny, struggling, never get any basal breaks...........
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Reply #5 of 13 posted 4 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
These were all on rootstocks. And it was the last season of them over there. (The colours aren't right, for my camera has difficulties capturing reds.)
At first, after I looked them up that year, I wanted to plant them in my garden, but when I saw, how they behaved in the Rosarium, I hesitated and decided not to grow them in our garden.
A good choice, considered afterwards.
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Reply #7 of 13 posted 11 SEP 15 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Saw Fragrant Cloud in a pot for $10 at Menards, lots of blooms but bad-blackspot !! This is a dry week, so the store waters it with alkaline-tap water, pH near 9, which zaps out potassium. Other roses next to it are healthy: Queen Elizabeth, Oklahoma, Chrysler Imperial, etc. Fragrant Cloud was much healthier when we got rain (pH of rain is 5.6).
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Reply #2 of 13 posted 3 JUN 12 by Kathy Strong
Hmm, I have two Fragrant Clouds -- one is a "virus indexed" own root version from Vintage and the other a Home Depot denizen on Dr. Huey. The Home Depot rose is MUCH more vigorous and healthy than the other one.
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Reply #4 of 13 posted 4 JUN 12 by goncmg
Going to try to hunt one down if I can at Home Depot or the like........my current sad little one is from a "better" garden center but the whole product looked awful and I bought one (last year) anyway.........this year's stock of FC is mostly dead at this nursery compared to huge and lovely (albeit perhapd doomed as summer ticks on) tiny pots of everyone else................every so often I find that a 1 1/2 grade of 2 grade rose "saved" from its wax and plastic sleeve or a "Home Depot" can really thrive. My current Royal Highness is gorgeous and vigorous and was on the clearance shelf 4 years ago at Wal-Mart. This year I have an Arizona from Meijers (basically a Wal-Mart) and a Mojave from a Menard's (basically a Home Depot) and they are bursting out basals, taking off.............without a doubt the best plant of Arizona I have ever grown............and what a nice surprise to see MOJAVE!
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Reply #6 of 13 posted 5 JUN 12 by Seil
My Fragrant Cloud is a very weak grower. It's about 5 years old now and is still only 2 feet tall. I get one flush of a handful of blooms in the spring and maybe one bloom in the fall and that's about it. It seems to winter fine with little die back but it just doesn't want to grow or bloom much.
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Reply #9 of 13 posted 26 APR 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Thanks for the info. I wish more info. like that is available regarding own-root vs. Dr. Huey for particular rose. How's the vase life of Fragrant Cloud?? saw that cheap on Dr.Huey for less than $5, was tempted to buy it.
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Reply #10 of 13 posted 26 APR 17 by GardenGlimpses
I have heard several reports on own-root Fragrant Cloud, and the consensus is that it's much better budded. Vase life is excellent, usually 5+ days for me, with a huge deep clove fragrance that can be smelled from afar. Really one of the most rewarding roses ever, if you can find a good plant.
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Reply #11 of 13 posted 26 APR 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Thank you, BenT_TX.
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Reply #8 of 13 posted 26 APR 17 by GardenGlimpses
I agree most of the Fragrant Cloud out there is bad stock. I have tried it on multiflora (mail order from a reputable place), Dr Huey (big box store) and they have both produced puny disease ridden plant. I spray faithfully every week, and even blackspot magnets like Angel Face, Stainless Steel and Melody Parfumee are spotless, yet FC just sits idle and drops its leaves , like some incredible shrinking rose. I remember growing it many years ago when it was just about the most rewarding thing in my garden...bushy, floriferous, heat resistant, always pumping out new bronze foliage and clusters of big fragrant bloms. I recently bought one on Fortuniana, so far it's been rather sickly too, but it's only been 2 months so I'll give it more time.

Does anyone know a good source for this rose that was purchased recently? I'm determined to get a good plant of it since it one of my very favorites. I think I'll try Palatine this fall. I ordered some bareroot bushes from them for the 1st time this year, and they were the best I ever purchased, massive succulent root systems, plants that have grown lustily regardless of variety.

Edited to Add: I purchased a Fragrant Cloud grafted on Fortuniana last year from K&M Roses. In one year it grew to a nice dense 4ft bush loaded with big, strongly scented blooms. I can highly recommend K&M Roses as a source for a very healthy Fragrant Cloud, if Fortuniana rootstock is suitable for your area.
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Reply #12 of 13 posted 24 JAN 19 by happymaryellen
Good to heqr. I am on my second fc and ready to give up. Sooo much disease, in pot or ground. Even with fu ngicide. I am over it. So eone is giving me a rouge royale, hope it behaves better!
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Reply #13 of 13 posted 25 JUL by HubertG
I know this thread is a little old but I just wanted to give my two cents on the health of Fragrant Cloud. I've only had my plant since last October but it has been wonderfully healthy for me so far. I bought it already potted and didn't want to plant it immediately because I wanted to see its performance regarding black spot to avoid any regrets, and I was anticipating problems from the reviews here, but the foliage has been wonderfully clean without any spraying. I remember seeing a couple of black spots on a couple of leaves in the height of summer if I recall correctly but nothing further came of it. I'm in Sydney, Australia where there is moderate humidity throughout the year and other HTs do get affected by black spot. Maybe we just have a strong clone of FC here. Mine is grafted but on what stock I don't know.

Another thing I've noticed is that it has retained its old foliage well throughout our winter and is now putting out new growth when we aren't even into the last month of winter.

Perhaps it might be too early for a proper health assessment but so far I'm pretty happy with my Fragrant Cloud purchase.
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Discussion id : 153-641
most recent 24 OCT HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 OCT by ParisRoseLady
Available from - High Country Roses
www.highcountryroses.com
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Discussion id : 140-932
most recent 13 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 11 MAY 23 by Domenico 67
Just bought a new plant of this rose, after years without it. It's on own roots, and it looks quite good
It was delivered by courier shipping (together with other plants), already in bud, and when I opened the pack, I found 2 large buds which where broken. One of them was already opening though, and I collected it to put it in a
vase.
What can I say? I almost forgot how beautiful and how fragrant this rose is. The form is beautiful, the colour is a very vivid coral (difficult to reproduce in photo), which is so rare in an intensely fragrant rose, and the fragrance itself is really astonishing, I was able to detect it even before opening the pack. It's very rich and deep, a little bit spicy and with just a slight touch of tea, but above all, very intensely rosy. Something in between centifolia, Louise Odier and Tiffany, with the deepness of Papa Meilland. After smelling it, one of my absolute preferred fragrant roses, Rose de Resht, was quite difficult to smell... Fragrant Cloud saturates your nose!
I seriously think it should be grown for the extraction of fragrance. It actually smells a little bit like the best rose soap possible.
After two days in a minuscule cup, the detached flower has still retained a good colour, a coral which is just a little bit less bright than before. The scent is still strong, with a little bit more of tea and a little bit less of rose, but still very good and intense. This buds are literally packed with essential oil LOL! That's why it should be extracted!
Looking forward for next flowers from her, the first should open in a couple days!


Update: I just bought another plant of Fragrant Cloud (in Italy it's often sold as Nuage Parfumé), at a local grower. It's a grafted plant by NIRP, quite big and robust, likely two years old, in full bloom.
When I saw it, casually mixed with much more recent varieties (mostly introduced by Kordes, Poulsen and Meilland), the colour and the flower formation (very similar to Peace to my eyes) made me immediately suspect it was this much older beauty, but I was in doubt because I'd never saw one plant of this cultivar at a local grower before. The perfume was a little bit faded because of the afternoon heat, but the tag confirmed that my guess was correct... I just HAD to buy it.
As soon as I took it out of the place and some fresh air mitigated the heat, the scent exploded back, and it was really awesome.
I realized that it smells almost exactly like a pretty expensively eau de parfum used by a former girlfriend of mine, "Paris" by YSL.

Update: my own roots Fragrant Cloud plant is giving some new flowers now. They're still not as full potential for dimension and petal number (I think it'll need another year of growth), but on own roots it looks like cookie is even more vivid, I'd say more of a full, fluorescent geranium red rather than just coral red in the first and second day (I had to correct the colour a lot on this photo, because it burns the camera sensor of my phone even in the shade of early morning), and perfume is shockingly strong in the best moments (less so in hottest hours), it numbs the olfactory receptors and makes other very fragrant roses almost scentless in comparison.

Update: both grafted and own roots plants of F.C. are giving new blooms like crazy. Luckily, it looks like the nurseries from where these plants come, have good virus-free reproduction material.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 OCT by HubertG
Thanks for this review, Domenico 67. I read it when you posted it and kept it in the back of my mind. Today I was at the nursery and saw a potted 'Fragrant Cloud' and, remembering your review, I bought it. It is a bushy grafted specimen 40cm high with 11 buds on it. Looking forward to the fragrance and performance.
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