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most recent 23 OCT 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797
I just read Gwen's review of Stainless Steel. As an organic gardener, I would recommend to anyone living near a coastal area to avoid hybrid teas and grow rugosas instead. Hybrid teas require too much fertilizer and insecticides (environmental "unbalance"). Rugosas are native to seaside areas and are tough, fragrant, and require little fertilization and attention. They hate all types of spraying. They practically grow in sand in their native provinces. The best performing plants of any kind are either native species or those grown in areas that mimic their original surroundings. Gwen would have an easier time making the switch. Please be assured-this is not an inappropriate comment, just sound advice for gardeners like myself who treasure our earth.
Reply #1 of 15 posted 28 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest
I live on the coast which rugosas do you recommend?
Reply #2 of 15 posted 2 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Please email me and let me know what size you have in mind. Do you have a large or small garden? More hybrids have appeared on the market to help us with the shrinking size of our garden space. I can narrow down the choices for you if size is an issue. If not, then I'll give you the names of some good ones. By the way, any particular color choice? Victoria
Reply #3 of 15 posted 22 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Cecile; I did reply to you, but I don't know if the message got through to you. Please let me know. Thanks, Victoria. I apologize for taking so long to reply. I did not realize that I had received a reply until last week. Sincerely, Victoria. PS-I actually gave you a list of rugosas and landscaping roses. If you did not receive it, I will write it again and re-send it.
Reply #4 of 15 posted 22 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Celia; I apologize for misspelling your name. Please let me know if you received my list of rugosas. Thank you, Victoria
Reply #5 of 15 posted 23 MAY 05 by Unregistered Guest
Reply #6 of 15 posted 24 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Celia; I will send you a list tomorrow evening. I wrote a long list for you but evidently the program did not transmit. I'll be in touch shortly. It is 1:30 a.m. here. Blessings, Victoria
Reply #8 of 15 posted 28 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, I have twice sent you a list of rugosas that was a page long, and each time the list did not transmit. Is there some way that I can send the list to you directly or through another website? The only information that I see posted is the addendum about the yellow rugosas, and this is an afterthought that closes out the huge list that I sent to you. I wrote a list of rugosas by colors and sizes, and the names of hybridizers. Victoria
Reply #7 of 15 posted 24 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, I forgot to tell you that the yellow rugosas have a reputation for not being as disease resistant as the red, pink or purple varieties. I have a pavement rugosa that does get some rust, but that does not prevent it from blooming or developing new, disease-free foliage. As a matter of fat, rugosas hate being sprayed with any kind of chemical, and the leaves will be damaged if they are sprayed. They are tough enough to shake off anything but human abuse. I hope this helps. If you do decide on a rose, you may wish to log onto helpmefind,com or for more information about individual varieties. I am also container-growing Henry Hudson-disease free. Sincerely, Victoria
Reply #9 of 15 posted 6 JUN 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, this is a third try at getting a rugosa list to you. I may have to do this in several postings. I am going to give you several websites, and you can read the characteristics of each rugosa and see what sounds right for your garden. Look up; (this is the Antique Rose Emporium);; These nurseries sell own-root rugosas of every color and size. Wayside Gardens and White Flower Farm also have rugosas, but they may be grafted. I don't recommend them if you live in a cold climate. Ralph Moore, the "miniature rose king," has just hybridized and introduced the first striped rugosa,"Moore's Striped Rugosa." The site is This rose grows to about three feet. If you want roses for a warm climate, always go with the hybrids. The species rugosas prefer cooler climates. The "Pavement" series of rugosas are for smaller gardens. Arena Roses is selling a floribunda for the coast: "Preference." It is in their catalog. Some of the Agricultural Canada roses are also disease resistant. A good groundcover is Charles Albanel. You may also want to try "The Fairy." It is a polyantha, but it is very disease resistant and extremely rugged. It will bloom in almost near-shade in very warm or hot conditions. The websites that I have given you have separate listings for rugosas. I hope this helps. Victoria. PS_Rugosas have thorns like nails. The larger roses make good barrier plantings. The smaller ones can be grown in containers.
Reply #10 of 15 posted 6 JUN 05 by anonymous-18579
Recommended larger rugosas: Topaz Jewel (yellow)

Sarah Van Fleet
Fru Dagmar Hastrup (also Hartopp)
Blanc Double de Coubert
Linda Campbell
Jens Munk: many rugosas have beautiful hips that can be made into jelly, tea or left on the bush for birds. I like to eat them raw, sweet and crunchy.--high in vit c.
David Thompson
Martin Frobisher
Smaller: Pavement series
Foxi Pavement
Pink, Purple, Pierette, Showy, White, Pristine Pavement
Henry Hudson
Rotes Meer
Reply #11 of 15 posted 5 APR 10 by York Rose
Do please be aware that if you live in coastal New England Rosa rugosa, while beautiful in the garden, can become invasive (which is why it's so prevalent along some of the beaches).

Furthermore, while it's a terrific landscaping flowering shrub (truly!), if you plan to cut your roses to bring indoors and enjoy in vases, Rosa rugosa and its various color iterations (such as Rosa rugosa alba, a magnificent white rose that is brilliant white without a hint of any other color, a rarity in white roses) has almost no vase life at all. In the vase the flowers can shatter within hours.

(That may not be true of the rugosa hybrids with other species. I am not familiar with their vase lives.)
Reply #12 of 15 posted 9 JUN 10 by timdufelmeier
Why would any self respecting hmf member even want to live in a world without HYBRID TEAS? What a dreadful concept!
Rugosas are devine but I WANT AND NEED MY HYBRID TEAS. I live in a little coastal town called Los Angeles, California and I have never even considered using sprays on my 400 roses neither do my rosemaniac friends.

Until rugosas grow
Only hybrid teas can
Fill the bill
Reply #13 of 15 posted 2 JAN 13 by goncmg
Your comme made me laugh, I love it, I feel the same way. Not a rose in existence that I don't love but love Hybrid Teas.....
Reply #14 of 15 posted 10 FEB 20 by mamabotanica
Totally agree (also live in So Cal - out Pasadena way) and I love my hybrid teas! Got rid of my rugosas because I didn't need a rose to take over the garden.
Reply #15 of 15 posted 23 OCT 22 by cooleyedbabe
I too can't imagine a life without HTs! I lived at the beach for 8 years, on the Pierpont Bay lanes, Ventura, CA, about 800 ft. from the bay. I "doctored" the soil (if you can call sand "soil") with cal-pro and earthworms. I found that earthworms literally converted the sand into soil. I bought a lot of earthworms to do that. I had Stainless Steel, Blue Girl, Pope John Paul II, Black Baccara, Speelwark, Gold Medal and 4 other various colors but can't remember their names. The only one to get any disease was BB, who got mildew. No insect problems. I sprayed BB every 3 months with the bicarb solution which controlled it. I used natural fertilizers, e.g. alfalfa pellets, cottonseed meal, etc.
Moved back to Portland in 2013 with acidic soil, e.g. 4 to 4.5 ph. Have had nothing but problems with blackspot, mildew (not as much) and canker. Rose expert advised that soil ph is the problem. Rose defenses decline if soil is not near neutral as they can't absorb nutrients in the soil. Very excited to see the results next Spring.
Because we have soooo much rain here, I also have an ongoing battle with moles. They have decimated my Portland earthworm population. But now I am armed and dangerous...caught one this week.
most recent 7 AUG 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 8 AUG 10 by paul_zone5ct
I really don't get the description of this rose being very disease resistant. I have mine planted in a no-spray section of my garden. It is very winter hardy, so in Spring there is alot of live wood. The Spring bloom is usually spectacular. But after that it is all down hill. It is now early August and is totally defoliated from blackspot. I would shovel-prune it, but every Spring it redeems itself.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 9 AUG 10 by RoseBlush
In the NOTES section of the rose page, you will find that this rose tested very well for disease resistance in the Montreal Botanical Garden.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 28 NOV 10 by York Rose
And the Montreal Botanical Garden continues to recommend this rose as resistant to blackspot, powdery mildew, and rust:

I have read before that there are several strains of blackspot fungus. If so then it's possible that the one the gardener in Connecticut is dealing with is different than the one found in Montreal.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 7 AUG 22 by Michael Garhart
If I recall correctly, one major race of North American black spot is commonly not found in Canada. Perhaps the west coast of British Columbia is an exception, but I imagine it has to do with the cold or the freeze dry effect of the winter winds.
most recent 16 APR 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 DEC 10 by York Rose
In my experience (on the ocean ten miles north of Boston) this rose is extraordinarily susceptible to blackspot. Without spraying it would always completely defoliate. It also struggled to open its flowers. After it died one winter after only one or two years in the ground I did not replace it.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 DEC 12 by Hamanasu
Clearly location seems to make a big difference with this rose. In my garden in Southeast England the flowers don't ball in the rain. The downside is that only in the midst of Summer is the English sun strong enough to lend the petals their characteristic reddish flush: in the Autumn they look a very pale pink, verging on white.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 16 APR 22 by Gdisaz10
it tends to lose a lot of buds with heavy rains. The flowers wither badly.
most recent 4 MAY 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 28 MAR 10 by York Rose
What is the manner of growth of this climber? Are the canes at all lax, or are they primarily upright in their growth habit?
Reply #1 of 2 posted 27 MAR 20 by Camieux
My Inspiration rose throws out huge strong canes, 5’ or more. I have been able to tie them to wire supports along a stone wall. This is a wonderful hardy rose! Rose was rooted from a cutting of my original plant and moved with me to a new garden. So far this plant has not been affected with RRD, as other adjacent bushes have.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 MAY 20 by Camieux
The canes are very long and I have them “trained” horizontally along a wall. They are thick, strong canes. Vigorous.
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