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Initial post 10 days ago by Nastarana
Which of the 'Westerland' sport family has the best color?

Which has color which is clear, not dull, and doesn't turn pinkish?

I have read that 'Westerland' is excellent for cold climates, repeats and is fragrant, but I have never cared for the color.
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
Maybe more fun in sowing Your own Westerland seedlings (most of the outcome is splendid) than buy a sport?
In my humble opinion, some of my seedlings are way better than the mother/hip-parent Westerland.
Better scented, longer lasting, nicer foliage an better growing habit/better suited as a climber.
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
The plant Jay-Jay gave me is a most satisfactory pink/orange/red colour and very healthy too.
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
Please take a look at my this years' seedlings in my journal and my earlier seedlings of Westerland at my breeder page.
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Nastarana
Your seedlings look splendid. For me to grow some I would have to buy a 'Westerland', which I don't really want to do.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
This-one might come to The States with Becky and John Hook from Roseraie du Désert: https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.69439.2
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 5 days ago by Nastarana
I love your 'Noortje'. Now, that shows good color and good shape as well, IMO.

I don't think the Hooks have made it to the US yet.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 4 days ago by Jay-Jay
And I'll have to send them another Noortje.
Thank You for Your kind compliment
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
Or just ask someone in the USA, that grows this rose, if they would be so kind to send You some (OP) hips.
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Are seeds restricted by importing laws?
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 7 days ago by Jay-Jay
In the USA yes!
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Initial post 12 days ago by Nola Z5
Heirloom Roses website lists Ebb Tide as zone 5 (-20 to -10 degrees) and 4x4 for size.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 11 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you Nola.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 8 days ago by a_carl76
I believe a little caution is in order with this hardiness designation. While I do grow Ebb Tide here in Iowa (Zone 5) it is not winter hardy unless you make efforts to give it protection from the cold. Anything that is exposed in the winter will die back and even a little bit into the protection. Fortunately it is able to bounce back every year and once established will grow into a good size shrub.

I grow several rose varieties in pots that have even less hardiness (a few chinas and teas for example). If I left them exposed they would all be dead come spring. But since I bury the pots under a pile of leaves with a tarp covering, they make it through the winter with no kill. I still would not rate them as Zone 5 varieties.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 8 days ago by Nastarana
Heirloom wants to sell roses, and I think their hardiness designations tend to be a bit optimistic. I am finding that not only is winter protection needed for most 20thC HTs and floribundas, but it is better to buy them grafted and plant with the bud union at least 4" deep.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 8 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you a_carl76, and point taken Nastarana. I have changed the 5b back to 6b.
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Initial post 10 days ago by Nastarana
'Blue Mist' is also available at Greenmantle.
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Initial post 7 SEP 16 by BarbaraG SE Virginia
Disappointing in public garden here in hot, humid SE Virginia. Poor bloom, lot of dieback despite mild winter, and extensive defoliation. It was chosen for an organic rose garden; we have yet to find a really good white.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 7 SEP 16 by Give me caffeine
Which ones have you tried?
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 8 SEP 16 by BarbaraG SE Virginia
We have tried Flower Carpet White, Rugosa Blanc Double de Coubert, and Marie Daly (blush). I need to correct myself and say that Lions Rose (Lions Fairy Tale) is highly satisfactory; but with an apricot blush in the center the effect is more cream colored than pure white. Spice is wonderfully healthy and an almost continuous bloomer but again, not pure white.
Souvenir de St. Ann's has proven very shade tolerant; rebloom is only fair. We have lost some SDSA to freeze damage. (We also lost an entire group of Mystic Beauty which is a very pale pink, like SDLM)
The current design doesn't allow room for Darlow's Enigma or Ducher, both of which are a very pure white.
The gazebo in the center of the garden provides a pop of pure white; it is surrounded by Peach Drift. It's used for weddings so there are no climbers on it, to provide good sight lines all round.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 8 SEP 16 by Give me caffeine
Pascali is supposed to be bulletproof, if you can live with the lack of scent.

I'm currently trying White Ensign in the subtropics. It's looking promising, but I haven't had it long enough to give good feedback.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 9 SEP 16 by Nastarana
Have you considered 'White Medilland'?, which is pure white and, in VA, should be an almost continuous bloomer?
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 15 APR 17 by BarbaraG SE Virginia
We are looking for a bushy chest-high shrub which is highly blackspot resistant. Currently we are considering the Kordes floribunda 'Polar Express'. Fortunately ARE has it. I am hoping to see Polar Express in a public garden somewhere.
MK was a disaster for us and we have at least eight of them in a very prominent position.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 11 days ago by Michael Garhart
My favorite so far is Lullaby, if you can get it. Mine is growing fine next to a pine tree, which nothing else thrives next to lol.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 11 days ago by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
I also like Lullaby, but if you want big, like big enough for a pergola, then go with Darlow's Enigma -- It's excellent. But it does set hips and therefore best blooming will be if someone takes off the hips occasionally.
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