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Initial post 8 FEB 17 by Nastarana
In pix this found rambler looks a lot like an Ayreshire, but I have never seen it live.

If it is an Ayreshire or multiflora, it might possibly be hardy in zones colder than 6.

Are there any reports of it being grown in the colder zones? The gardens tab only shows it being grown in 6 and warmer.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 11 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I agree.

The similarity occurred to me this morning and then I found your post.

It occurred to me this morning that Barfield could in fact be 'Ayrshire Splendens'?

There is a definite resemblance, but I'm not entirely convinced comparing photos. They seem to be very close.

Growing them side by side would solve the riddle.

Hopefully some day we can confirm.

I also have a hunch 'Ayrshire Splendens' could descend from 'Crimson Rambler'.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 11 days ago by Rupert, Kim L.
What just occurred to me, reading these comments, is, Barfield may well be a sport or self seedling of Ayshire Splendens. Ayshire Splendens doesn't mention being thornless, while Barfield is. Nor does Ayshire Splendens supposedly repeat, while Barfield is reportedly continuous-flowering. It seems this might be a very good subject for DNA research.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 11 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Barfield is mostly smooth, but not entirely.

Those photos of splendens exhibiting canes reveal very few prickles that I can discern.

Barfield is essentially once flowering in my climate with a very modest scattered repeat, mostly in Fall.

In coastal climates I suspect repeat is more reliable.
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Initial post 11 APR 18 by Yankee Doodle Stevie
Our Gene Boerner is pretty huge. Slightly taller than me (I'm six feet even.) And even wider. But it takes well to pruning into whatever shape you care to give it.

It's flower producing capabilities are amazing. Hundreds of medium sized bright pink blossoms that are shaped like little hybrid teas. It lasts well when cut, and seems to be a favorite of local birds to nest build in. :) It also has relatively few thorns and stands up to 100 degree heat. No disease to speak of.

To me, it blows those Knock Out roses completely out of the water. No comparison. While I am no doubt in the minority, I even prefer Gene to Queen Elizabeth. The shapeliness of the flowers makes it rather unique among such free flowering varieties. No sacrifice of quality for quantity here.

It seems to be undergoing a revival of sorts at big box stores and nurseries. At least here in AZ. I for one am glad as it deserves to be widely available.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 11 APR 18 by Nastarana
I bought one of the box store 'Gene Boener' body bags. Even with virus, alas, it still blooms all summer on a strong plant and has survived two winters so far. In my zone 5 garden it gets about 4' tall. I agree that this is truly a great rose.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 11 days ago by Michael Garhart
Its a good rose. Its only major faults are scentlessness and petals like to cling on for dear life.
most recent 31 MAY SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 AUG 16 by Michael Garhart
lol, this name makes me so sad!

Looks like Scarlet Meidiland has been good in a lot of hybrids! I am loving Ruby Meidiland a lot in the garden.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 26 AUG 16 by Nastarana
I love the foliage in these pictures.

How is disease resistance?
Reply #2 of 5 posted 10 SEP 16 by Paul G. Olsen
Disease resistance seems to be very good. However, this cultivar appears to lack cold hardiness in a Zone 3 climate, which one would expect from its genetics. It's not as cold hardy, for example, as 'Campfire'.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 27 MAR 17 by Fadi
I live in Ottawa zone 5b
I planted Never Alone in September 2016. In November , it was black spotted badly.
I checked today (27th March) my rose. There are many canes dieback despite being covered with several feet of snow during the winter. The good thing is i can see new thin green canes emerging from the ground. it seems that this rose is not cane hardy here in zone 5
Reply #4 of 5 posted 31 MAY by Michael Garhart
Now that Ive had it for a bit, I can say this. The spring/fall disease resistance is poor. Its quite susceptible to moderate temps w/ damp weather. I am not sure if its downy, cercospora, and/or anthracnose. The 3 of them differ by cultivar, and ifs there's a lot its like good luck ID'ing that without staring and leaflets for way too long (I got other things to do lol). The summer health is good. The plant shape is good. The rebloom is quite good. The color is good but the flowers do not like the rain one bit.

Its parent, Yellow Submarine, is 10' away and bothered by none of these things.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 31 MAY by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I had high hopes for this one but never even kept it long enough to use it for breeding purposes.

I assumed it didn't care for the climate here in the low desert, which I'm sure is true.

This said other hardy roses do quite well, and this one was a disappointment.
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Initial post 3 OCT by NaturalBloom

I have a beautiful old Rose bush I "inherited", but do not know the name of the rose.
The loose muddled, large blooms (In the vase) are peachy in colour with a strong fragrance.
The Plant is about 1m Hight 30cm across with straight upright stems. Sparse large thorns.
Repeat Blooms spring until autumn (UK)

Any leads on a name would be grateful.

Many Thanks

Reply #1 of 14 posted 3 OCT by jedmar
This seems to be a Bouquet, the foliage is not from the rose. Do you have a photo of the plant?
Reply #2 of 14 posted 3 OCT by NaturalBloom
Hi, Yes there were some other leaves in the vase. I will have to photograph the bush.a couple of the bright green leaves are visible in the middle.
Reply #3 of 14 posted 4 OCT by Nastarana
It looks like it could be a tea rose. Is Bath warm enough for teas to grow. Does the rose perhaps grow in a pocket where it would stay warm, such as in front of a south facing wall?
Reply #4 of 14 posted 4 OCT by NaturalBloom
Hi Nastarana,

Bath is in the South of the UK so Temperate. It is in a full sun location but is exposed and would have frost in the winter.
I was thinking it a Centifolia or Damask rose?
Reply #5 of 14 posted 4 OCT by Marlorena's all rather vague... are these blooms recent? how big is the bush, height and width? it is thorny? how well does it repeat bloom?... and any idea when it was planted originally.... this is all information that's needed really... as well as photos of the foliage and growth habit... it could just as easily be an Austin rose...
Reply #7 of 14 posted 5 OCT by NaturalBloom
Further details added.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 6 OCT by Marlorena
..thank you for the extra photos... it's a pity we cannot see any blooms on the bush itself, but the foliage to me says modern, very modern look about it.. also the fact it repeats into autumn... it's rare to find a Tea rose growing here... we don't grow those much, and few are available... it's usually Austins but in this case I would guess at 'Joie de Vivre' a Kordes rose... some photos of it look like yours, and some don't...
Reply #10 of 14 posted 7 OCT by NaturalBloom
Thank-you Malorena,

I think that’s a good possibility, I thought my bloom was
more “loose” but as you say it appears to take on a lot
of different forms - almost every picture. One thing I did notice
Is the bud started like a hybrid tea then opened to look more like
an old rose which this appears to do!

I’m afraid the picture in the vase was taken back in the summer, since then I’ve had
to move the bush, so at the moment no blooms,
the leaves here look very fresh and shiny as it’s
new growth from re plant.

I think I will have to wait until next year now to get a good image of
the blooms and bush habit together.

Many thanks for this suggestion I’ll look out to see if all fits later on.

Reply #11 of 14 posted 7 OCT by Marlorena
ok... best of luck... it's a nice rose...
Reply #13 of 14 posted 12 OCT by Edhelka
The blooms look like Joie de Vivre but the leaves and growth habit don't. Also, Joie de Vivre has only mild fragrance.
Reply #12 of 14 posted 9 OCT by NaturalBloom
......I may have found another strong contender Donatella, Meilland 2009.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 6 OCT by Plazbo
Typically centifolia and damask wouldn't have a peachy colour. The yellow pigments usually come via china/tea's or foetida.

The foliage also is not right for either as centifolia and damask are typically more matte/fuzzy than glossy.

I'd be looking at tea's or more modern
Reply #6 of 14 posted 5 OCT by Andrew from Dolton
Bath would be warm enough to grow some of the tougher Tea roses.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 16 MAY by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5b
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