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Initial post 3 days ago by Michael Garhart
Dang, all the informalness of 'Mellow Yellow', on a more compact, more gold plant.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 2 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Let the hunt begin!
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 2 days ago by Michael Garhart
UK/EU/AUS/NZ all have mostly better yellows than North America, but they'll never see the light of day here, and I really don't know why.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 2 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It's a mystery to me too.

I've seen superior varieties in evaluations that never get selected for introduction.

Maybe they ask too much for royalties?
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
It has interesting, healthy foliage. The leaflets have that puckered look one sees on 'Peace' and its' sports.

As for why we can't get certain roses here, IDK but I do wonder what is in the contracts nurseries have to sign with wholesalers. I have noticed that when certain nurseries, Stargazer Perennials, which is no longer selling roses, comes to mind, begin offering the newest Kordes introductions, all of a sudden, Kordes roses is about all that are being offered.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
Kordes floods Asia, as well. They have a stranglehold on a lot of the market sectors. Don't get me wrong. They have a lot of good roses. But its fairly obvious. There is a Japanese grocery store here, and sometimes I browse the back of the magazines there. Tons of Kordes roses ads lol. All in Japanese.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted today by Michael Garhart
I meant to also reply that my 'Toprose' also has similar foliage. I think some 'Arthur Bell' descendants get it, and its bred from 'Peace' line. 'Toprose' has 5 instances of 'Peace' in its breeding.

Weeks still sells 'Oregold' in with its mixed rose assortments of 3g and 5g potted bud and bloom to mid-sized stores. 'Oregold' stands out in those assortments as looking much weaker and less vigorous than the other roses in the batch. Yet, they keep selling it like its as amazing and modern like the rest.
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Initial post 2 days ago by Ericchn
What an incredible creation! Its flowers are very much like Comte de Chambord/Madame Boll’s in terms of form but much bigger, with an enchanting fragrance.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
Have you seen this rose growing in a garden? How big does it get? It could almost be a repeat blooming 'Constance Spry'.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 2 days ago by Ericchn
I’ve seen it in Barcelona/Baden-Baden rose trials, the plant grows to 1m high with a typical HT growth habit, but the flower could be as huge as 13-14cm in diameter.
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Initial post 4 days ago by mmanners
I recently visited the Orkney Islands of Scotland, and this rose was flowering on many sites -- it seemed almost more numerous than all other roses combined. But no one seemed to know a name for it. It has been suggested that it may be the old Alba 'Celestial', but other experts say definitely not. Your thoughts will be appreciated.
Malcolm Manners
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 days ago by Nastarana
'Celestial' has more petals than the roses shown, as does that other pink alba, 'Amelia'. The foliage does have the alba shape, rounded, tooothed oval leaflets, but not the flat, matte surface. I would be inclined to think the pictured rose is a Damask, or possibly the alba/Damask hybrid, Belle Amour. In my yard 'Belle Amour' shows a salmony undertone in the color, but the light in Orkney may be different.

It might be the Damask 'Celsiana', which is often confused with 'Celestial'. 'Celsiana' throws out canes upwards of 10-15', ought IMHO to be considered a rambler, but the prevailing wind in Orkney might retard growth somewhat.
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Initial post 6 days ago by Nastarana
There is an article by Lukasz Rojewski, "White Roses in the Breeding Process", in the American Rose, March/April 2024 p. 26-31, in which he discusses some of his recent introductions. The description of 'Reykjavik' includes the following:

Reykjavik (alba hybrid, 2015 ('Penny Lane', 'Polonica')... I think that might be a misprint, a comma accidentally substituted for x, which would make those two roses the parent of Reykjavik.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 6 days ago by jedmar
Lukasz confims, thank you for the reference.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 6 days ago by Nastarana
The same article lists and describes a number of new introductions of both alba and Kordesii hybrids which are not entered at helpmefind. Would the breeder want to list those himself? The article has names, registration codes, parentage and descriptions for each new cultivar. 'Winterfell' looks particularly interesting to me. It just might prove to be the beautiful and fragrant large flowered climber for cold zones many of us have hoped to find.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 6 days ago by jedmar
The Breeder adds his roses mostly himself. Probably he is busy now with all the international trials.The reference to the American Rose article would be good, but this is not publicly available, I believe.
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