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most recent 7 days ago HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 days ago by B2CROSE
Available from - Burlington Rose Nursery
Reply #1 of 1 posted 7 days ago by Nastarana
I hope it has better disease resistance than 'Angel Face'.
most recent 13 NOV HIDE POSTS
Initial post 12 NOV by Mrbill
I received this letter from my sister who is a church member that has been caring for a number of Mr Earnest Holmes roses that are growing in her church garden in San Jacinto. I am a Rosarian and member of the San Diego Rose Society. I have successfully rooted several specimens of this rose and posted the first bloom in early Nov 2021. It's too early to offer a definitive rose class but it's large, pink and fragrant. Here is a one page sheet my sister found in the office concerning the rose. Upon research, I found that Earnest Holmes was the founder of the Church of Religious Science.


Nearly 30 years ago, my grandfather, a nurseryman, rose grower and pioneer, told me of a remarkable rose. It had come from a modest farm out on Sanderson Ave, northwest of Hemet. Its owner was the wonderfully kind man, Louis Strickland. Mr. Strickland brought the rose in from his ranch in the 1960's and put it in the yard of his little retirement home south of town. 'Grandpa' Lindquist had known of it for years and, worried that its owner was in declining health, he suggested that I propagate some new stock from it before it was lost. His comment then was that this big pink rose was the largest he had ever seen and that he couldn't name it.
The rose was budded in the Howard Rose Company field in 1971. Within its first year, great size of flower and foliage were obvious. Evident as well was a color, deep rose pink, like a fuschia, that held up and didn't 'burn off' to an ugly magenta as do many similarly colored roses. Once the plants got under way, and especially in the green house or where there was partial shade, the blooms grew larger still and its mid-green, semi-glossy leaves could be five inches from base to tip. A bonus was the fragrance. There is a very strong Damask rose character to this, along with penetrating, delicious ethers that come not from the modern hybrid tea rose family, but the older tea roses of yesteryear.
This rose was never identified by anyone out of the hybridizing community of which my father, Robert Lindquist, Sr., was a member. Nor was it tagged by dozens of rose experts who saw it not only in Hemet, but on the judging table at numerous rose shows in Southern California.
Its scent and purist deep rose color, untainted by crossing with modern, brighter rose colors, lead me to believe that it is a first generation hybrid out of tea and hybrid perpetual class rose parents, perhaps introduced before 1935. No rose that I'm acquainted with rivals the size and robust appearance of this variety once it's established.
It is a man's rose in every way, yet more than that it is pure in heart. With simple, ungarnished form and a wonderful fragrance this rose embodies everything spiritual. It deserves to be adored and revered and never lost again. What better way than by naming it after Ernest Holmes as our living tribute to a very honest and spiritual man, the founder of Religious Science.

Rob Lindquist - July 2000
Reply #1 of 3 posted 12 NOV by jedmar
I think this clarifies the discussion from 2007. Robert Lindquist Jr has registered the rose in 2000, but it seems actually to be a found rose, which his grandfather was involved with even prior to 1971.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 NOV by Patricia Routley
Looking at just the one photo……my mind brings up ‘Rubaiyat’ <1946.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 13 NOV by Nastarana
How did this rose come to be named 'Big Pink'?
most recent 13 NOV HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 NOV by Dewberry
Can anyone recommend a low-maintenance, reblooming climber that can reach the top of a two story house? I'm gardening in Central Texas.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 NOV by Nastarana
Look for Noisettes and climbing teas. Antique Rose Emporium in Texas should be able to advise you.

Are you thinking of any particular color?
most recent 12 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 26 JAN by Margaret Furness
is there a reliable way to tell whether a found rose is La Reine, or Anna de Diesbach?
Reply #1 of 9 posted 8 NOV by Flame_Master
Thorniness maybe?
Reply #2 of 9 posted 8 NOV by Margaret Furness
Good suggestion. We need more photos of the canes of both roses, to show the prickles.
Reply #3 of 9 posted 9 NOV by Le_Not
I've uploaded a photo of the canes of my 'La Reine', in hopes that might be helpful. But I think she's thornier than described on HelpMeFind -- in fact, 'La Reine' is one of the thornier roses in my (admittedly small, mostly "thornless") garden.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 9 NOV by Margaret Furness
I see what you mean! Thanks for posting the photo. In fact the early illustrations are in keeping with your photo.

I'm back to the same problem - how do I tell the difference. We have quite a few name-lost roses in old gardens in Australia which could be one or the other - obviously it was widely-planted in its time, and is a survivor. Probably La Reine, as the earlier of the two, and the one with a name more likely to interest people here. At present I'm just calling them all "La Reine family".
Reply #5 of 9 posted 10 NOV by Nastarana
I've not grown either, but in the pictures on HMF, it seems to me that AdD sits down among the foliage more than LR, and the latter seems to rise a bit above the bush. I have seen AdD described as a Portland in some sources.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 10 NOV by Lee H.
Margaret, did you notice the comment in references from the The Rose Annual of 1974? “'La Reine' ... blooms early and repeats well, a feature noticeable in its seedlings,'Anna de Diesbach’ (1858) and 'Francois Michelon’ 1891) . Both are in varying shades of pink. Plant-wise too, they show close affinity to ‘La Reine’, but with a deeper cup and a lesser petallage than ‘La Reine' which averages 78, they are less inclined to ball in damp conditions.”
Also, I find that my La Reine does seem to be relatively thornless (at least here in Z6 Indiana)
Reply #7 of 9 posted 10 NOV by Margaret Furness
Thank you, I missed that one.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 12 NOV by Lee H.
Margaret, I thought I might add one more small clue that I chanced upon quite by accident yesterday while referencing Ethelyn Keays’ “Old Roses”:

“La Reine became the head of a big family of which many survive. Her descendants have, generally, the semiglobular form, are very large, fragrant, and show lilac in the pink or rose-color and maintain a close resemblance to the funnel-shaped calyx.
Anna de Diesbach, 1858, is from La Reine and an unknown variety. This rose has a lovely bloom of a deep carmine-pink shade, very large and full, intensely fragrant; one of the most delightful and most satisfactory of this class. The funnel-shaped calyx is slightly strangled at the top; probably the “unknown” did that. It’s sepals are long, pointed or foliated. Anna is just a bit dressier than La Reine. In lasting quality and profusion of bloom it has proved to be better, with us.”
Reply #9 of 9 posted 12 NOV by Margaret Furness
That's very useful, thanks. I'll need to check the finer details but I don't think any of our foundlings would be called deep carmine-pink. La Reine rather than Anna de Diesbach, then.
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