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Initial post today bytimdufelmeier
Sport of Propero
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Initial post 24 NOV 12 byJay-Jay
The description states shade tolerant, but in my garden it almost doesn't grow or bloom at a shady spot.
Others Like Tuscany, Rose de Rescht, Apothecary Rose, William Lobb and the Centifolia's do well at that same spot.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted today byStrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you. One person mentioned that the Apothecary Rose bloomed in less than 3 hours of sun .. I'm shopping for roses in partial shade.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted today byJay-Jay
Try Souvenir du Docteur Jamain! And as a climber Mme Alfred Carrière.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted today byStrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Jay-jay: Thank you, I like dark-red color roses (look good against my white house). I'm adding your info. to the long-list of shade-tolerant roses in my JOURNAL entry. Like me, so many people in HMF also ask for shade-tolerant roses, so I put them in the below link:

https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/guest.php?tab=42
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Reply #5 of 8 posted today byJay-Jay
You're welcome.
The scent of the kind Docteur is to die for!!!
And almost thornless!!!
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Reply #4 of 8 posted today byAndrew from Dolton
'Mme Alfred Carrière' has hardly any thorns as well.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted today byJay-Jay
Yup... but those she has, can/might surprise and grab one while pruning or training.
And a good uncommon scent too, like elder-blossom.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted today byStrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Yes, the big rose can really stab me. Shade-tolerant Sharifa Asma is tiny as own-root, it's prickly but never poke me. Yesterday I fluff up my shady & pH near 8 clay with pine-bark shavings (pH 4), that's sold at Pet Section at Walmart .. used to line rabbit's cage. Small & yellowish pine-shavings is fantastic in breaking up rock-hard-clay, along with gypsum (17% to 21% sulfur). I use the tiny-granules gypsum, which is more acidic.

Recently I moved 2 roses into 4 hours of morning sun only: Comte de Chambord (fried in hot sun). And James Galway. After moving, Comte is wilting in clay & gypsum, but James Galway is perky in fluffy soil (clay with pine-shavings & gypsum).
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Reply #8 of 8 posted today byLavenderlace
Straw, does your James Galway have any fragrance? It's a beautiful rose!
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Initial post today byLavenderlace
In 110 heat index, she is covered in blooms with a strong fragrance. In afternoon sun, the color does bleach to a dirty white but they are long lasting blooms, both on the bush and in the vase. The size of the blooms are three inches, sometimes a little bigger. This is comparable now to other varieties which normally have bigger blooms but get smaller in high heat. Own root, sandy soil with alfalfa compost.

Then, I have another Magnificent Perfume in the pot with a quite lackluster performance. Rarely blooms and half the size. So I can certainly understand the mixed reviews on this one!
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Initial post 2 APR byAndrew from Dolton
This rose has quite a strong resinous smell from the new growths. You can smell it straight away without having to rub at all. The other gallica and damask roses I grow also have this but 'Officinalis' is by far the strongest.
It has been the most wonderful spring day here in Devon. I have been strimming all day and the garden smells delightfully of cut grass and a large balsam poplar is just coming into leaf with a delicious spicy fragrance.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today byStrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Andrew: Thank you for the info. of fragrant foliage. Your bush looks very nice !! It's on my buy-list for shade-tolerance. Sonia Rykiel's leaves smell like raspberry-floral in my alkaline clay (just by being near it) ... so I want more roses with fragrant foliage.
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