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Rose Listing Omission
Rosa microcarpa Retz.
A. J. Retzius in Phytographische Blätter pp. 40-41 (1803)
ROSA microcarpa caule petiolisque aculeatis, calycibus integerrimis glandulosis, pedunculis inermibus, germinibus ovatis nudis,
Radix haud repens.
Caules quinquepedales, stricti, aculeati.
Aculei recurvi substipulares et sparsi.
Petioli subtus dense aculeati, subvillosi, stipulis minutis serrulatis glandulosis.
Folia septena foliolis undique serrulatis, supra rugosa, subtus villosula, ovata.
Pedunculi tri-quadriflori, mudi, inermes,
Bractea sub quovis pedicello ovato-acuminata , serrulato-glandulosa, rarius trifida.
Pedicelli nudi, gabri, bibracteati, bracteis latis acuminatis.
Germen ovato-oblongum, nudum, glabrum.
Calycina folia parce glandulis pedicellatis aspersa, integerrima, petalis breviora, tribus apice parum dilatatis.
Petala rosea , sere biloba, grate odora.
Fructus ruber, parvus, ovato-oblongus, colo angustato.
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#1 of 5 posted
2 days ago by
 jedmar
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This is also a synonym of Rosa cymosa Tratt.
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#2 of 5 posted
2 days ago by
CybeRose
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Jedmar,
Rosa microcarpa Lindl. = R. cymosa Tratt.
Retzius had a different species in mind. Trattinnick (1823) thought Retzius' microcarpa was a form of R. canina: "b) R. microcarpa Retz, sorte nil nisi canina?"
Karl
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#3 of 5 posted
yesterday by
jedmar
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Did he? I was checking on IOPI and GBIF. In this case needs more Research. Kew, The Plant List and the Encylopedia of Life say it is a synonym of Rosa glabrifolia C. A. Mey. ex Rupr.
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#4 of 5 posted
yesterday by
CybeRose
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Strictly speaking, Trattinnick reported that Sprengel thought R. microcarpa Retz. was akin to canina. Sprengel also (apparently) thought R. laxa Retz. was akin to R. cinnamomeae.
I haven't found Sprengel, yet. I did find Herrmann (1762), if you're interested.
http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/Ehret/Herrmann1762.html
I just found Sprengel (1820), but have not had a chance to read it.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QRQAAAAAQAAJ&dq=editions%3AscxUnTpXfbIC&pg=PA239#v=onepage&q&f=false
The discussion of R. laxa and R. microcarpa Retz. is on 254-255
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#5 of 5 posted
today by
jedmar
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I have added the Translation of Sprengel's text, but it doesn't really help. The work of these earlier botanists is very often outdated. We need to look at when and by whom the synonymity of R. microcarpa Retz with R. glabrifolia C.Mey was postulated. That will be probably the latest knowledge.
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I usually don't like the gold meets mauve types of russets, but this one looks super cool.
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12 JUL 10 by
kev
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the rose pictured here is pink.Duc de Fitzjames is not this colour.It is a deep violet/purple and dark crimson red.
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The 'Vintage Book of Roses' says that there are two plants in commerce called 'Duc de Fitzjames', one darker than the other. Mine is lilac pink, similar to the flowers I see in the photos. My plant came from 'La Campanella' in Italy, but I don't know where they got their mother plant. According to Vintage the darker-flowered variety is likelier to be the correct one.
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Interesting, thanks for taking the time to sharing this insight with HelpMeFind. Just what HMF is all about - a tool to collect and disseminate gardening information to a participating online community.
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#3 of 6 posted
31 JUL by
jedmar
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La Campanella has many of their Gallicas from Cour de Commer - the collection of François Joyaux. 'Duc de Fitzjames' in commerce is often 'Mme Lauriol de Barny', a Bourbon rose.
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I don't have 'Mme. Lauriol de Barny' in the garden and haven't seen it, at least not identified as such. I took a look at the newest page of photos of this variety on HMF, and, though I haven't made a careful comparison, right now I wouldn't swear that the rose I see in the photos isn't my 'Duc de Fitzjames'. My rose is a good tough variety with opulent blooms, coming easily from cuttings, has never reflowered later in the season, and gets some fungal disease after blooming, though not enough to do it any harm. Lanky in growth; thorny. I'm fond of it, mainly because of the very handsome blooms combined with the ability to flourish in quite poor conditions.
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#5 of 6 posted
12 days ago by
jedmar
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Melissa, it would be very helpful if you could post some photos of your 'Duc de Fitzjames' on HMF.
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I'm a reluctant photographer (and this isn't the season anyway). I wanted to add to my description that my 'Duc de Fitzjames' sets hips, which are rounded oval, about 2cm wide and slightly longer, and smooth, the orifice not wide, sepals not persistent. They haven't matured yet so I don't know their color. A final note: my rose has long-lived canes, and suckers out, slowly and not aggressively.
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David Austin's website lists Huntington Rose as zone 5-10.
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