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Initial post yesterday by Nola Z5
Heirloom Roses has The Poet listed as Zone 5 (-20° to -10°).
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Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Thanks Nola.
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Initial post yesterday by rafael maino
Found tea, noisette? rose in Buenos Aires Province, Argentina. Vigorous, fragrant flowers, double or semi double, beautiful when buds, open loose,bushy, 250 cm high x 200 cm width. It flower all season, occasional repeat, later in the season, middle green leaves.I ask if It could be 'L'Ideal', G. Nabonnand 1887??
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Reply #1 of 6 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Hello Rafael,
My gut feeling is that it is not 'L'Ideal'. I spent a couple of hours adding a few more references to the 'L'Ideal' file and it seems that 'L'Ideal' may have been small to medium plant, with a small to medium sized, semi-double bloom. It was often mentioned alongside 'William Allen Richardson' and I think that may be a smaller sized bloom. Your photo with your hand in it (315489) seems to show quite a large bloom. Another gut feeling (of which I am not quite sure about) is that blooms with that spiky pointed outline might be that of a more modern rose. I really hope that other people might contribute their thoughts on this beautiful rose.

Perhaps it might be valuable to look at 'L'Ideal's descendants to see if any tiny scrap of knowledge can be gleaned from those roses.

If you would like us to make a file for your foundling, please let us know the "study name".
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Reply #2 of 6 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
A wonderful find, whatever it is!
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Reply #4 of 6 posted yesterday by rafael maino
And Thank you Margaret!!!, she is very pretty in bud....not so much when open....but have a good fragrance
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Reply #3 of 6 posted yesterday by rafael maino
Thank you Patricia for your interest!!, I take cuttings from the plant (from Buenos Aires) and now grows in my garden, with very different climate and soil ( and I hope she pass the winter...this is the third...), I think that many characteristics match with the references of L'Ideal, especially the color and shape of the flowers when it said that have very good shape in bud, loose when expanded...and it's not so big, no more than 8 cm diameter. Any way this is a strange rose, and L'Ideal become a strange rose too since there are no photos at all, only the chromolithography.
Best regards!!
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Reply #5 of 6 posted yesterday by rafael maino
I give her a study name "Juani de Temperley", Juani is a affectionate diminutive of Juana, the name of the lady owner of the garden where I found the rose, and Temperley is a suburb of Buenos Aires, originally inhabited by many English immigrants.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
File opened. Let's leave the photos where they are for a couple of days to give others a chance to look at them and respond.
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Initial post yesterday by Nola Z5
Edmunds Roses lists Love Song (Wekstameda) as Zone 5-9.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Thank you.
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Initial post yesterday by Nola Z5
Heirloom Roses lists Tchaikovski as zone 5 (-20° to -10°).
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Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Thank you.
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