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most recent 26 JAN SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 APR 13 by paani
Available from - Vintage Gardens
Reply #1 of 8 posted 15 APR 13 by HMF Admin
thank you
Reply #2 of 8 posted 4 MAY 13 by paani
you're welcome. Sadly, this looks to be one of so many that will not be available anywhere in the US after Vintage Gardens closes up shop.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 4 MAY 13 by Tessie
It may not even be available now in the US. I bought one from Vintage, but the provenance is sadly lacking. The id seems to be no more than a guess. From what I've seen so far it does not seem to fit the historical descriptions. For one thing it would be quite a stretch to call any of its flowers lemon yellow. The blooms look white with perhaps a touch of creme, but there ain't no yellow! Not even when the flowers first open, whether in full sun or shade.

Reply #4 of 8 posted 15 SEP 14 by Karin Schade
The roses named Alberic Barbier, La perle and Francois Foucard I bought or I have seen somewhere else seem to be the same roses - in my Rosenpark Reinhausen they ARE the same.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 23 MAY 18 by rbehs
I have the version of François Foucard that Vintage sold. It has red stamens. They are yellow on my version of La Perle.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 26 JAN by AlanaSC
How do you like this rose? Hard to find any information on it. Thanks!!
Reply #7 of 8 posted 26 JAN by rbehs
It's very vigorous. I had to move it several years ago because it was taking over the front of my house. It's still recovering in my back yard, but I'm thinking this year will finally be another good year for it.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 26 JAN by AlanaSC
Thank you!!
most recent 14 JUN SHOW ALL
Initial post 1 MAY by Patricia Routley
‘Paul Ricault’ or ‘Paul Perras’?
Reply #1 of 7 posted 4 MAY by Tessie
Definitely not Paul Perras which is a compact, pale pink rose, that sets hips. This is a dark pink climbing rose that sets no hips. Very thorny and suckers some. It was sold to me many years ago as Paul Ricault and fits the description of Paul Ricault. I don't understand how a pale pink compact rose can be suggested for the identity of this rose on HMF. The descriptions aren't even close.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 4 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
It does look quite like the found rose I identified as 'Paul Ricault' but was later told by a reliable source that it was 'Paul Perras' I didn't know that most of the roses in commerce sold as 'Paul Ricault' are in fact 'Paul Perras' in the U.K. It doesn't sucker but is prickly and lax in growth. I grow it up on wires so it gets a bit more air movement and possibly less blackspot.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 5 MAY by Patricia Routley
Tessie, I am inclined to agree with you. I am sure I have the same rose as you and I had identified my rose as 'Paul Ricault'. My big, arching. deep pink, spring-only rose sets no hips. I was convinced by the 'Paul Ricault' photo caption, below, to move my photos (and reference) from 'Paul Ricault' to 'Paul Perras'. However, because of the early references to setting hips in 'Paul Perras', I think my roses might be better off in a foundling name file called "Mackereth Cottage -S.A." and "Date Palm Rose - W.A."
I can't really comment on a foundling rose from another country ("The Crepe Rose') but the 2007 reference in 'Paul Perras' indicates that it is the same as the Australian foundlings.

Photo Id: 316130
"Photo taken at The Friends of Vintage Roses, May 2018, Sebastopol, CA. This we believe to be the true Paul Ricault. As all other HMF images appear to be showing Paul Perras, the "Crepe Rose", we wanted to share this. This plant came from Mike Lowe's own-root rose nursery in the 1990s under the name 'Paul Ricault à Fleures Pourpres', a name that does not show up in the literature. He imported this from a European nursery, and we believe that perhaps the prevailing misconception of the time that Paul Perras was actually Paul Ricault may have led the nursery to create that name, as a way of explaining the much deeper, redder color of the rose. This is however the color that is described repeatedly in earlier literature. The plant moreover has the foliage and stance of a Hybrid China/early HP, with a color that at the time was rich and brilliant, showing the Chinensis influence found in others like William Jesse, Malton and Brennus."
Reply #4 of 7 posted 5 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
The rose is just starting to bloom, although because it has so many petals it takes ages to open fully. I'll post pictures when it is completely out.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 5 MAY by Margaret Furness
I think Gregg's point was that the early references describe Paul Ricault as a crimson-red rose (or in one, deep purple).
Reply #6 of 7 posted 5 MAY by Patricia Routley
Thank you everybody. I am much happier with the ‘Paul Ricault’ identification.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 14 JUN by Andrew from Dolton
Would anyone like to comment whether this rose is 'Paul Perras' or 'Paul Ricault'?
most recent 17 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 10 APR by Byrnes, Robert L.
Botanical Journal - Ботанический журнал
Magazine (1979) Page (s) 218 ​​Vol. 64.

V. Тkaczenko rose alabukensis sp. nov. (Sect. LEUCANTHA М. Рор. And Сhrshan.)

Bush to 2.5 m tall, spare branched branches of green, gray-green hornotinis shivers. Аculei Hamas base widened flowing firm base of the leaves on two, rarely three. Leaves odd leaflets (3) 5-9, terminal side submajore, oblong-oval 1.2-4 (4.5) cm long, 0.6-1.7 (2.2) cm wide margin sharp serrated teeth densely short-hairy, hairy briefly above; rhachide densely short hairy aculeolis small solitary protected. Flowers 3.7-4.8 cm in diameter. white, inflorescences corymbosis disposed in the apex of the branches floriferorum. Pedicelli 0.5-1.8 cm long, short, sparse glands. Hypanthium globose, smooth. Sepals entire, densely hairy base margin on short glands solitary buildings after flowering divarieata learn along the grass. Ripe fruit of the orange-red in color.

D. Маjo end-June; fr. August-September. Турus specimen 35 N 180 in dendrario reservation Botanic Garden cad. Sci. RSS Kirghiziae out of the seeds, in his upper jaw, which comes from Tkaczenko, in distresses, 6 fl. Alabuka constant Czatkalensis 30 8 1964 picked up (LE).

Coll: ferganensi break in the narrow d. Arslanbob; 28 8, in the vicinity of the flood gates of a great 1973, 6 Тkaczenko.

Наbitatio, in a region-bushy trees on the banks of the sloping clayey-schistosis more or less humid.

Distribution: High Czatkalense, Uzunachmaticum and ferganensi (tjäna-schan West).

Аffinitas: А form larger ones oblong-oval leaflets near the rose beggerana Schrenk and densely hairy (or ovate, a typical small tip acutatis smooth or hairy briefly below), larger flowers, inflorescence Corymbosa up with different and even ecology.

Alabukensis rose in a closed-region tops of trees fruticosae the issue prolongs fruticeta dense format, blossoms Маio end - the beginning of June; The opening of the specimens seen in the valleys, to the solitary rose of the beggerana Schrenk, however, it is increasing.

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Reply #1 of 5 posted 11 APR by Patricia Routley
“In his upper jaw”? I am distresses, but I have added it nonetheless. Thanks Robert.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 APR by Byrnes, Robert L.
It’s not a great translation.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 APR by Tessie
Rob, can you post the original journal text?
Reply #5 of 5 posted 17 APR by Byrnes, Robert L.
Other than what is in the Reference section, I've not seen any full text from the citation.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 APR by jedmar
I tried my hand at improving the translation of the second half.
most recent 23 DEC 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 7 MAY 17 by Gdisaz10
Disease resistance of this rose is only good?
Reply #1 of 6 posted 7 MAY 17 by Andrew from Dolton
A very, very lovely old rose, can get a touch of rust in dry hot weather. Together with 'Königin von Dänemark' two of the best Albas and among the best OGRs.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 7 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Which fragrance is stronger? F.P. or Queen of Denmark? Thanks.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 7 MAY 17 by Andrew from Dolton
They both have strong fragrances, maybe 'k v D' has a slightly more damask rose smell. Perhaps Jay Jay could shed some light here, he has a particularly fine nose.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 23 DEC 18 by Gdisaz10
In my humid warm climate KvD is not very fragrant just slightly
Reply #6 of 6 posted 23 DEC 18 by Gdisaz10
The best Alba for me is Great Maiden's Blush
Reply #4 of 6 posted 7 MAY 17 by Tessie
Her disease resistance here in my Southern California garden has been excellent. Mainly disease pressure here is from mildew and rust (only occasionally is blackspot seen on any roses in my garden--many years there is none). FP hasn't shown any of these, and I've been growing her since the mid 1990s. Felicite Parmentier has the best fragrance of all my roses, and the most powerful and wafting. She is my favorite rose.

This has been a bad year for diseases on roses (an excellent rain year with over 20 inches following several years of severe drought), and some that I have never seen mildew on are covered in it. The same for rust. Some roses have lots of it. And even blackspot on 2 or 3 of my roses. Not a happy surprise, but soon we will have typical dry summer heat and blackspot doesn't seem to thrive in such conditions.
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