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most recent 30 AUG SHOW ALL
Initial post 31 OCT 12 by Tessie
Does this rose really only get 16 to 20 inches tall? I skimmed some of the references which say it is robust and vigorous--seems kind of odd if it is truly shrimpy-sized.

Reply #1 of 3 posted 13 NOV 12 by guapuru 17
I have received many emails asking about this rose. Soon I will upload photos and characteristics in order that we can be absolutely certain of their classification, which would be a real discovery for these latitudes. The rose was brought from France more than 150 years ago. We are in spring now.

Rosy regards,

Reply #2 of 3 posted 26 FEB 13 by guapuru 17
Hello Melissa

Grows in a very disorganized form, decumbent.

Rosy regards
Reply #3 of 3 posted 30 AUG by Roseraie "Roses de Normandie"
Congratulations for publishing your rose on hmf.
Your 2013 picture seems to show a very young plant.
How this rose grows since that time ?
Best regards
most recent 7 MAY HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 MAY by Gdisaz10
Disease resistance of this rose is only good?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 7 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
A very, very lovely old rose, can get a touch of rust in dry hot weather. Together with 'Königin von Dänemark' two of the best Albas and among the best OGRs.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 7 MAY by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Which fragrance is stronger? F.P. or Queen of Denmark? Thanks.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 7 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
They both have strong fragrances, maybe 'k v D' has a slightly more damask rose smell. Perhaps Jay Jay could shed some light here, he has a particularly fine nose.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 7 MAY by Tessie
Her disease resistance here in my Southern California garden has been excellent. Mainly disease pressure here is from mildew and rust (only occasionally is blackspot seen on any roses in my garden--many years there is none). FP hasn't shown any of these, and I've been growing her since the mid 1990s. Felicite Parmentier has the best fragrance of all my roses, and the most powerful and wafting. She is my favorite rose.

This has been a bad year for diseases on roses (an excellent rain year with over 20 inches following several years of severe drought), and some that I have never seen mildew on are covered in it. The same for rust. Some roses have lots of it. And even blackspot on 2 or 3 of my roses. Not a happy surprise, but soon we will have typical dry summer heat and blackspot doesn't seem to thrive in such conditions.
most recent 29 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 18 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
Outstanding foliage and a beautiful rose here in no-spray hot Z8. He's only getting 5-6 hours of morning sun but seems happy enough!
Reply #1 of 10 posted 22 DEC 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Two years ago I saw Francis Meilland (grafted on Dr.Huey) in a pot at Menards for less than $10, and it had the most buds compared to any rose in pots. Too bad I didn't buy that, I wasn't sure about the scent.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 23 DEC 16 by Lavenderlace
The scent for me so far was mild but pleasant. But it's a first year plant so I have high hopes for next year! Mine are own-root.
Reply #3 of 10 posted 28 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. about scent !!
Reply #4 of 10 posted 28 APR by Lavenderlace
Update: I have to say that he's been slow to start blooming this year compared to my other roses. He's on the east side so the sun is limited and I wonder if he prefers full sun? The plant looks great but can't say that he's produced a ton of blooms yet.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 28 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Two years ago I saw Francis Meilland (grafted on Dr.Huey) in a pot at local Menards, with at least a dozen buds in partial shade, in gloomy & wet spring. That rose had way-more buds than other roses in pots. It had dark green & glossy foliage. Glossy means it's a water-hog. Dark-green means it likes alkaline clay. I put my glossy foliage in partial-shade and they do much better. Some roses don't bloom well in full-sun & sandy soil since there's not enough constant water. Thus potting soil (dense & moisture-retentive with peatmoss), and soaking wet-clay would be better for the glossy leaves. Or partial shade, which helps with moisture-level.
Reply #6 of 10 posted 28 APR by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much for that info. I wonder if mine being own root is the difference? I'm glad to hear that he likes water as he is set up on a watering line. The leaves are really beautiful and he does have buds. But his neighbors have been blooming for two months so maybe he has a shorter growing season?
Reply #7 of 10 posted 28 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Some roses are bigger water-hog than others. Pat Austin (glossy foliage) and Tchaikovsky (glossy foliage) need a HUGE amount of water (like 5 gallons), before they bloom ... both are in partial shade.

The amount of water does help with an early start in blooming. My William Shakespeare 2000 gets only 4 hours of morning sun, but it's in constant wet clay, and now the bush is fully-leafed out ... versus other Austin roses in dry areas lagging behind. Stephen Big Purple (full-sun) gets the rain-barrel dumping water everyday & in wet clay, and it's way ahead every spring. That's the logic for Roses Unlimited recommending 2 cups of alfalfa meal & 1/4 part peat moss & 1/4 part red clay & 1/4 part compost & 1/4 part rich soil in the planting hole to UP the moisture level. My pots with alfalfa meal mixed-in bloomed WAY head of the pots without, alfalfa meal makes the soil wet & fertile.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 28 APR by Lavenderlace
Super info, thank you so much!
Reply #9 of 10 posted 29 APR by Tessie
I'd never heard that about glossy foliage before. It doesn't hold true for my California garden which has mostly very fast draining sandy loam soil. Europas Rosengarten (floribunda), Polyantha Grandiflora (species cross), Snowdon (rugosa), Frau Dagmar Hastrop (rugosa), Julia Mannering (eglantine), and Excellenz von Schubert (polyantha), and others, all have glossy foliage and are drought tolerant here. Maybe it depends on the water and other conditions in different parts of the country? The soil and water here are quite alkaline.
Reply #10 of 10 posted 29 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I grow Excellenz von Schubert, it has LIGHT GREEN & slender & SMALL GLOSSY foliage. I was talking to Lavenderlace about DARK GREEN & round & LARGE GLOSSY foliage of MODERN own-root roses Francis Meilland, Pat Austin, and Tchaikovsky.

For Excellenz von Schubert I had to put an ungodly amount of dry pine bark & gypsum mixed into my heavy clay to make it loamy. And I never water that one either. Also Excellenz von Schubert has the 7 small-leaflet multiflora-species pattern, which prefers loamy soil. Species roses are more drought-tolerant than modern roses.
We also have lots of drought-tolerant Rugosas growing along the road-side. These have 7 to 9 tiny-leaflet pattern & lighter green, and NOT 5 large leaflets like modern roses. Website quote "Rugosa is from the Latin word “rugose,” meaning wrinkled. Rugosa leaves are textured with a fine quilting that gives the foliage depth and richness."
Modern roses with DARK GREEN & round & LARGE GLOSSY foliage need tons of water (week-long rain) before they give over dozen buds like Francis Meilland in a small pot at local Menards.
most recent 28 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 APR by semiplenus
This nursery is now closed.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 28 APR by Tessie
That is sad news.:(
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